Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

dervish

Wookster wrote: »

Once again that's one of the most stupid posts I've read. You should keep your opinions to yourself.

That sort of mentality you should not be getting any state benefits at all.

It also just goes to show an underlying tone of something not far off racism.

You obviously have no clue as to what racism actually means!:p

Soooooo many people LOVE to play the race card these days....:mad:

louiser123

bubblesmoney wrote: »

depends on how they came here. i knew a doctor who worked in a grocery shop, he was granted asylum from afghanistan, just because he was allowed to live in the uk doesnt mean that he can work as a doctor, he has to pass the required english exams, then pass the required medical exams, then apply for jobs. if he was middleaged and all his life he spoke in persian or pushtu or whatever they speak in afghanistan (i dont know) and practised medicine in that language do you think he can crack the exams here, speaking simple english is not good enough to pass those exams which have written and viva components and also OSCEs, if he fails those exams which mostlikely he will then what options does he have if he has a family to look after, he goes on the dole or he works as a carer or any damn job that he gets to look after his family. i met another doctor from iraq who was on asylum here as well, he didnt ahve his passport or any documents when he fled iraq and the local univ wouldnt confirm anything to the uk authorities about his paperwork so he was stuck in a vacuum, so what can he do but work in any job to feed himself as he is basically stateless and cant go anywhere, he couldnt even go back where he came from as he was afraid of getting killed and he hadnt seen his family for years. the uk shouldnt take asylum seekers if it doesnt allow them to work later. are they supposed to live off garbage bins once allowed to stay in the country if they cant work?????

regarding nurses, loads of nurses are recruited abroad with orientation courses they are supposed to take before registration is allowed in the uk and they do these things at care homes as well. but little do they know that just doing the course doesnt guarantee you a job or nursing registration. so many get caught in a vicious circle they cant get out off as they would have paid fees for the luxury of attending the orientation courses etc.

if he/she wasnt here on asylum then they wont get a visa for working as a carer anyway unless they were recruited abroad as carers for which he was legally issued a workpermit. if he had a valid visa for working then nothing should prevent them from working. i knew another uk doctor who had health issues and he could no longer work as a doctor, so what options does he have if he is fit to work elsewhere are you sayings they shouldnt. my colleague was just about to finish his specialist training and had a drug reaction to an antisickness drug and was on a ventilator for a month then when off the machine had memory loss etc and hands shook, couldnt remember people etc far less any medical knowledge so his career was shot to bits overnight (abroad) and he hadnt started working yet even though a qualified doctor. so what does he do, he does any job he can to survive.

i wasnt saying that they shouldnt do the care jobs, if that is what they want to do. i was disagreeing with the poster saying they come over to get higher on the career ladder, not so if they are fully medically qualified in thier own country moving onto a care role. and staying there.
like i have said in previous posts i have nothing againt foreign workers or infact foreign people. i infact have many friends who are not english. and the workers i have met are all lovely people. what i was saying was i dont think it is right that someone should be working in a role where good communication is paramount.

for example, patient/client trys to tell carer they are in pain, carer does not understand the client therefore client remains in pain until another carer who does understand can act on it, makes no difference if the carer who understands is english or foreign the fact they can understand and help is the issue!

b0rker

Any wrote: »

Thank you, my point exactly!
Some people don't want to work.

However, it all comes back to one thing. Maybe something to do with benefit system?:eek:

Any,

Where about are you from yourself?

The way you speak/type reminds me of the way my Polish girlfriend speaks/writes.

omelette451

louiser123 wrote: »

i wasnt saying that they shouldnt do the care jobs, if that is what they want to do. i was disagreeing with the poster saying they come over to get higher on the career ladder, not so if they are fully medically qualified in thier own country moving onto a care role.

I didn't say anything about it being a career ladder: I meant it as the general ladder of social mobility and the lyrical 'better life', which almost always starts by getting more money.

leveller2911

omelette451 wrote: »

That's not true either. What people in Britain often don't realise is in France it's exclusively public sector workers who go on strike (yesterday excepted - that was different circumstances all round), and that the rest of the country, i.e. those who work in the private sector, are actually very resentful of the benefits attached with public positions and are always very angry at the disruption they cause in their country. This disaffected majority are never heard during the disputes, especially in the British media, but it is they who voted en masse for Nicolas Sarkozy when he stood on a union-modernising platform. Hence why one of his first acts was a Thatcher-style dismantling of certain union privileges and introducing a 'minimum service' of trains, etc., that must run even during strikes, and hence why you can't really say the country is run by the unions, even if it's true they're more powerful (or perhaps that their members are less lazy) than they are here.

How can you say "the unions don't run France" i'm sorry but they do, as for Sarkozy the "jury is well and truelly out" he hasn't been in long enough to change the French . They do practice protectionism because the government has refused to do anything to open the ports when the fishermen blockade them, they also land and market undesized fish , the government allows this... you can't say its NOT , not enough has changed YET and I very much doubt if it will ,long term............. and yes I have been to the French fishmarkets.
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mewbie_2

There is a certain irony to the support the unions now seem to be getting. After twenty years of trashing them, every man for himself while times were booming, it now seems that the tide may be turning. Or maybe we just hate foreigners so much that we will turn to socialism to protect us.

I gave up preaching the socialist cause many years ago, when it became obvious that those who stood most to benefit from say a single wage level across all sectors - were the ones most against it. Perhaps it's time to dust off Mao's little red book...

leveller2911

omelette451 wrote: »

Not exactly true. The reason Australia opens its borders to so many foreigners is because they realise they're missing skills, especially in certain under-rated towns (such as Adelaide). There are plenty of Australians who could take the jobs; the trouble is that they would need training, which is expensive. The salary may therefore be relatively high (and seem like a good wage in Australian terms) but overall taking on foreign workers is actually a way of saving costs, and is, therefore, another way of undercutting 'native' staff.

errr no, your wrong, I know 2 paramedics who have moved to Australia and both are on an equal wage as the Aussie paramedics, your talking about the training of the workforce, I wasn't

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

the government has refused to do anything to open the ports when the fishermen blockade them, they also land and market undesized fish , the government allows this... you can't say its NOT , not enough has changed YET and I very much doubt if it will ,long term............. and yes I have been to the French fishmarkets.'

I have no idea about fish sold and will happily take your word for it, and condemn all illegal practices equally. As for blockading ports, however, I don't see what the government could reasonably do to stop it, short of sending in troops. Put it this way, if it were the other way round, and the English blockaded the Port of Dover and the French demanded that the English government do something to open it again, what would you say?

leveller2911 wrote:

I know 2 paramedics who have moved to Australia and both are on an equal wage as the Aussie paramedics, your talking about the training of the workforce, I wasn't

And I maintain that Polish (and other) workers in Britain get paid the same as British people for doing the same job. If that's less than the wage would be if they weren't here then so be it, it's still the current going wage. Similarly, the reason Australia issued work permits to those paramedics is because the overall cost of hiring staff is lower if they find people who are already trained before they start work. The effect is the same.

chucky

I asked

chucky wrote: »

I have no problem with immigrants.

Let's just hope that your son/daughter doesn't come home with someone that isn't British.

you answered

dervish wrote: »

I think that would be most normal parents second greatest fear as regards their kids' relationships is concerned.

what's a parents first greatest fear with regards to their kids relationship?

mewbie_2

chucky wrote: »

what's a parents first greatest fear with regards to their kids relationship?

I suspect the poster meant a coming out speech - "Dad, I'm gay". I already have my answer worked out to that one - "me too Son".