Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

Wookster

tesuhoha wrote: »

I can't personally do anything but the Government should look at the benefit system because migrant workers are already causing problems and I think that there will be more civil unrest because people are becoming more and more resentful. The Government have to make it less attractive for them to come here.

What ideas to do this would you suggest?

tesuhoha

Wookster wrote: »

Don't you think that means that the welfare system needs to be reformed?
Why not make people do some sort of community work rather than nothing? How about work maintenance work on say our prehistoric rail network?

The idea of paying someone for nothing simply cannot be a good standard to set.

You are complaining about paying someone for nothing, referring to the working classes on their JSA pittances, yet what about foreign workers getting child benefit for nothing, for children who do not even live in this country?

tesuhoha

Wookster wrote: »

What ideas to do this would you suggest?

I don't know but the Government must have powers to reform the benefits system. Maggie Thatcher made radical changes to it in the 1980s.

tesuhoha

Maybe there isnt anything they can do. I'm just pointing out the problems.

Wookster

tesuhoha wrote: »

You are complaining about paying someone for nothing, referring to the working classes on their JSA pittances, yet what about foreign workers getting child benefit for nothing, for children who do not even live in this country?

AFAIK foreign workers have to work here for a full year before they are entitled to benefits (that's EU accession states). Individuals from old EU states are AFAIK entitled to claim benefits immediately if they come here without a job but with the reasonable expectation of getting one. This also applies to Brits going to EU states.

Or were you referring to non EU citizens, in which case foreign workers get nothing from the state, bar NHS, until they are a permanent resident.

Wookster

tesuhoha wrote: »

Maybe there isnt anything they can do. I'm just pointing out the problems.

Surely you must have some ideas of your own?

bubblesmoney

Wookster wrote: »

AFAIK foreign workers have to work here for a full year before they are entitled to benefits (that's EU accession states). Individuals from old EU states are AFAIK entitled to claim benefits immediately if they come here without a job but with the reasonable expectation of getting one. This also applies to Brits going to EU states.

Or were you referring to non EU citizens, in which case foreign workers get nothing from the state, bar NHS, until they are a permanent resident.

they get billed in nhs for regular care (anything outside the A&E) in some cases if a highly skilled migrant visa holder has just some to the uk with family but is looking for a job and someone falls ill then they get billed unless someone in the family is working. see such cases posted on immigrationboards forum previously. so holding a migrant visa is not enough you have to have been working here or someone in the family. these days of budgetting in the nhs people are employed in the nhs solely to check eligibilty criteria of foreigners or foreign looking people. when i was once admitted in hospital for a day on an emergency with pain abdomen(family gone abroad i was alone then) there was a clipboard person hassling me to provide proof or will be billed and didnt accept when i told i worked in the same hospital (even showed my ID badge) for more than a year, they wanted my nhs card and # which i luckily was carrying with me, all this while i was awaiting an emergency scan. (bloody been pay highest tax bracket since i started working here years ago and never even been to gp or used anything then get hassled when i need emergency care for which i paid my taxes and NI as well.)

omelette451

tesuhoha wrote: »

This is why Britain is doing worse in the recession than any other country. Turkey is the next one due to join the EU and some say even more of them will come over here than the Polish.

Erm, I don't think that's true. Firstly, Iceland and Ireland are doing worse than Britain. Secondly, Croatia (and perhaps even Iceland according to today's news) are in front of Turkey in the queue. Thirdly, Bulgaria and Romania have been in the EU for two years and their citizens are still not allowed freedom of movement and labour in the UK (we imposed a 'temporary' restriction that has not yet been lifted); we couldn't allow Turks free movement without extending it to all the present members first, which at the moment seems unlikely to happen.

If my son went over to Poland to look for work, in the very unlikely event of him getting a job, would they pay him income support, house him in council accomodation and give him housing benefit? Would they heckaslike.

Why's it unlikely he'd get a job? Is it by any chance because he doesn't know a word of Polish? It's certainly not because of discrimination: I know from friends who have done it that the Poles enthusiastically accept EU labour laws. The reason they don't give them benefits is because they don't have the same welfare system we have: they expect people to work for a living. Any benefits they do have he would be as entitled to as Polish people here. Surely you're not trying to blame the Poles for our benefit system? It's not their fault we have the system we do!

tesuhoha wrote: »

migrant workers are already causing problems and I think that there will be more civil unrest because people are becoming more and more resentful.

With all due respect, it's not the migrants causing the problems, it's the people complaining about them. People living and working here legally have done nothing wrong, so there shouldn't be any need for civil unrest.

harrup

bubblesmoney wrote: »

harrup wrote: »

do you know what people have to overcome to succeed. then have a look just as a small starter at this link. there are hundreds more but i wont bother with those. just this should be enough to shock any sane human being.

Bubblesmoney, you misunderstood.

I wasn't advocating to tear up discrimination laws. Whatever the nature of discrimination. I'm proud to live in a society where these are adhered to. I'm proud and grateful that future generations here will find it unfathomable that someone's skin, gender or sexual orientation was ever a determinant in whether they could play on a level playing field.

But many of these stipulations - however noble and just at their inception - are being exploited. Thereby making a total mockery of them.

No employer fancies persistently having to quake in his booties because he may trespass inadvertedly against whatever PC rule de jour and that he may unknowingly violate. Employment law has gone too far. Nobody wants to feel intimidated by their work force.

Did you know, incidentally, that I could chirpily call my boss " a black b@***d" and all I'd get is a written warning not to repeat this expletion and behaviour. It would NOT be justifiable grounds for termination. I wouldn't even have to apologize.

Conversely, if my employer said the very same thing to me........I'd see him in court, would win without objection and with a juicy compensation fee. Never mind whether he'd apologized to the nines afterwards or not.

Why is it the same derrogatory term acceptable for compensation but not for dismissal? I'm not making this up, by the way. Actual case. Why is it ok to discriminate in favour of the employee? Why should someone have to continue to employ someone who shows such lack of respect?

Any

tesuhoha wrote: »

The problem with foreign workers coming here taking the low paid jobs is that the young working classes who should be doing these jobs are resting on their laurels claiming JSA which is such a small amount that they are unable to book a holiday, buy a car, rent or buy a house, buy possessions. So they are not spending money here in this country and an underclass of long term unemployed is being created.

You are making this up as you go along!!!
The young working classes refused to work AND THAN the foreigners came!! It's only few years ago the farmers were crying out for workers and so were the builders crying out for workers for the crap jobs. Because British didn't want to do them.

I remember it was only 4 yrs ago when the strawberies in the feelds in Scotland were moulding because noone would pick them!