Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

biscotte

tesuhoha wrote: »

If my son went over to Poland to look for work, in the very unlikely event of him getting a job, would they pay him income support, house him in council accomodation and give him housing benefit? Would they heckaslike. If he had kids would they give him CB to send home? There are not equal rights for economic migrants to Europe. The Eastern European workers know about our soft benefits system and that is why they are able to come here so easily. That is why illegal immigrants bypass Germany and France to slip over the Channel.

They may be very nice people and they may be harder workers but as I said before they have created an enormous social problem in this country and they have detracted from its wealth.

Just want to say from experience that when you work in an EU country and pay NI/Social security then you are entitled to the same support and benefits as a native of that state, whether those benefits are good (UK, France Germany for example) or not so generous (probably Poland, Bulgaria etc). you can't just swan over the border and demand benefits without having paid in for some period of time (true for folk coming to the UK too).

I worked in France and paid secu, got fantastic medical care, child benefit and when I had another baby got really good maternity benefit.
I guess you could say that I was an opportunistic immigrant that stole the job from a poor French worker and sucked up their social benefits, as indeed my husband is now doing to the poor Swiss workers (although poor and swiss don't often appear in the same sentence) and my brother does in Italy.

EU free movement of people and goods cut both ways - look at the huge numbers of Brits who have packed their bags to go and live in continental europe over the past decade or so.

Any

tesuhoha wrote: »

The foreign workers are coming here to do the low paid jobs and are claiming benefits such as NHS treatment (which they qualify for immediately), income support, housing benefit and child benefit for the kids back home which they will send back to the family in Poland or Slovakia or wherever, so all that money is going out of the country. They live cheaply 10 to a house and after a few years will be off back to Poland or Slovakia or wherever to buy a house there so they are taking that money out of the country. They are costing this country more money than they are making it so it is not true that they are good for the economy.

This is why Britain is doing worse in the recession than any other country. Turkey is the next one due to join the EU and some say even more of them will come over here than the Polish. They will flood over here looking for the low paid jobs, completely aware of their benefit rights and they will be claiming everything they can to send back home from a crippled benefits system in a country which is on its knees almost bankrupt whilst British ex-pats who have paid into the NHS all their lives are no longer entitled to NHS treatment. I ask you how much more can the benefits system take?

If my son went over to Poland to look for work, in the very unlikely event of him getting a job, would they pay him income support, house him in council accomodation and give him housing benefit? Would they heckaslike. If he had kids would they give him CB to send home? There are not equal rights for economic migrants to Europe. The Eastern European workers know about our soft benefits system and that is why they are able to come here so easily. That is why illegal immigrants bypass Germany and France to slip over the Channel.

They may be very nice people and they may be harder workers but as I said before they have created an enormous social problem in this country and they have detracted from its wealth.

Where did you get that from?????
Foreign workers can claim NOTHING but NHS care for the first year they are here.

tomstickland

Well, whatever the reasoning, it's spread to 17 sites today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5617015.ece

harrup

Wookster wrote: »

Surely you must have some ideas of your own?

You provocative, persistent lil' devil!



Don't you know that moaning is easier and waaaaaaaaaaaay more fun than formulating something concrete ( i.e. a factual letter/email to the government/newspaper/local councillor outlining a proposed solution to whatever bugs you) ???? What's wrong with you?

You know what I suspect that the inherent problem is with the welfare system?

Inertia.

Ours.

Can one really blame people for accepting what is freely offered? And I mean blame anyone? Foreign workers, work-shy locals, anyone without any proclivity to contribute anything to our society.

I don't.

We moan to each other, but we don't put our money where our mouth is. We don't write: " Dear Mr. G. Brown. How is it hanging? Here- not so good. Jobs and vital resources are getting snapped up by foreigners and this infuriates me/my wife/ my cat. I thus propose the following actions to rectify this snappily: namely, x,y and z. If these suggestions are not feasible I look forward to hearing how YOU propose to address it. Please be advised that "erm...I dunno either" is not an acceptable reply. I will organize a riot/demonstration/national petition should this occur. Yours disgruntedly.....xoxo

We don't to anything. We just !!!!!. We don't stand up and be counted. And so the status quo continues......

harrup

Any wrote: »

You are making this up as you go along!!!
The young working classes refused to work AND THAN the foreigners came!! It's only few years ago the farmers were crying out for workers and so were the builders crying out for workers for the crap jobs. Because British didn't want to do them.

I remember it was only 4 yrs ago when the strawberies in the feelds in Scotland were moulding because noone would pick them!

Well roared, lion.

Yup

mewbie_2

The trouble is this foreign worker thing is spreading out of control...

I was speaking to a shelf stacker in Asda the other day - I say speaking, actually trying to him to move out the way so I could like actually do some shopping - and when he finally moved to one side I asked him where he was from. Because he looked a bit, well you know, er, not one of us shall we say. Anyway after much gesticulating and waving, and some shouting from me, I managed to get out of him that he had come over for the winter months from Kazhakstan. Well I was so annoyed I cut the conversation short at that point, put my BurpULike Gherkins back on the shelf and went straight to the complaints counter.

Believe it or not, a similar conversation, with a no doubt very nice Czech girl who did admittedly speak pretty good English. By this time shouting uncontrollably I said "But why do you all come over here taking our jobs" and she just said "money - I get seventy five thousand pounds a year for listening to @ssholes like you all day", and she sounded some sort of alarm.

By the time I had thought of a riposte I found myself marched to the car park by two Abyssinian transvestites who then waited menacingly for me to give them a tip!!!

Britain eh? You couldn't make it up, no one would believe it.

harrup

mewbie wrote: »

The trouble is this foreign worker thing is spreading out of control...

I was speaking to a shelf stacker in Asda the other day - I say speaking, actually trying to him to move out the way so I could like actually do some shopping - and when he finally moved to one side I asked him where he was from. Because he looked a bit, well you know, er, not one of us shall we say. Anyway after much gesticulating and waving, and some shouting from me, I managed to get out of him that he had come over for the winter months from Kazhakstan. Well I was so annoyed I cut the conversation short at that point, put my BurpULike Gherkins back on the shelf and went straight to the complaints counter.

Believe it or not, a similar conversation, with a no doubt very nice Czech girl who did admittedly speak pretty good English. By this time shouting uncontrollably I said "But why do you all come over here taking our jobs" and she just said "money - I get seventy five thousand pounds a year for listening to @ssholes like you all day", and she sounded some sort of alarm.

By the time I had thought of a riposte I found myself marched to the car park by two Abyssinian transvestites who then waited menacingly for me to give them a tip!!!

Britain eh? You couldn't make it up, no one would believe it.

The funniest post I ever read.

Ever

dervish

mewbie wrote: »

The trouble is this foreign worker thing is spreading out of control...

I was speaking to a shelf stacker in Asda the other day - I say speaking, actually trying to him to move out the way so I could like actually do some shopping - and when he finally moved to one side I asked him where he was from. Because he looked a bit, well you know, er, not one of us shall we say. Anyway after much gesticulating and waving, and some shouting from me, I managed to get out of him that he had come over for the winter months from Kazhakstan. Well I was so annoyed I cut the conversation short at that point, put my BurpULike Gherkins back on the shelf and went straight to the complaints counter.

Believe it or not, a similar conversation, with a no doubt very nice Czech girl who did admittedly speak pretty good English. By this time shouting uncontrollably I said "But why do you all come over here taking our jobs" and she just said "money - I get seventy five thousand pounds a year for listening to @ssholes like you all day", and she sounded some sort of alarm.

By the time I had thought of a riposte I found myself marched to the car park by two Abyssinian transvestites who then waited menacingly for me to give them a tip!!!

Britain eh? You couldn't make it up, no one would believe it.

and becuahse the horrible underclasses and working classes see this they think that doing such jobs are beneath them becuase foreigners do them.

The lower classes should be forced to do such menial jobs and that would mean hopefully a stop to immigration.

omelette451

dinoyoung wrote: »

I agree, a policy of minimum home sizes without expanding onto green-belt to accommodate everyone is needed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7612384.stm

That article is interesting: it seems we're even trying to cram people into flats that are too small! Most flats in France are big enough for a family, with three normal-sized bedrooms, a kitchen, and an open-plan dining/living room, but the fact that there are three or four on each floor in a building perhaps six storeys high means it takes up much less room than it would if each person had a cramped house. It's a similar situation in Russia, albeit with slightly smaller proportions in the room sizes and in longer buildings. And far from looking dull and uniform, blocks of flats can be architectural gems in their own right, much grander in scale than houses, and if made of stone or painted they can actually look quite pretty, unlike the red brick monstrosities we have here.

omelette451

dervish wrote: »

The lower classes should be forced to do such menial jobs and that would mean hopefully a stop to immigration.

And how do you force people to do them? There was a thing on BBC News last year where they tried to get unemployed young lads in Peterborough to agree to work on farms for over 30% more than the minimum wage (£7.50/hr iirc) and they just wouldn't do it.