Digby Jones - Civil service could have half the staff.

lynzpower

When we are all looking at job cuts, pay cuts rsing bills rising council tax those in high office Westminster and Council are still able to live on high wages and big expenses.

I think I have given some examples where this simply isnt true. My sister and I were both refused legitimate expenses.

My OH makes 8.50 an hour working for the state, do yo uthink this is a high wage in inner london ?

When I was working at ofsted I was offered to applty fopr the permanent job ( i was temping) and it paid 12.5k

I do not think this is a high wage.

MPs, having thier houses redcorated, having thier living costs covered *isnt that what salaries are for* I can see is unacceptable. Having personalised number plates is unacceptable.

Do you in the private sector have an amnesty on stationary- and no more to be bought till April- so bring in pens from home? ( ie months away) do you in private sector have to buy own tea bags for work and bring them in? Have you ever had something like a Xmas party put on for you ( i have in private sector- we did not have Xmas parties in ublic, although some of us organised to go out for a meal which we paid for ourselves)

The fact is most civil servants & LG employees are not highly paid.

CLAPTON

chris_spackman wrote: »

One big question lots are asking is:

When we are all looking at job cuts, pay cuts rsing bills rising council tax those in high office Westminster and Council are still able to live on high wages and big expenses.

When those complain about this and that what about us who have to deal with higher taxes, no pay increases etc.

When we see MP;s claiming stupid amounts of OUR money is there anything which would make us have faith in these people.

Why should we have to put up with the huge amounts of money which are wasted by councils and claimed as expenses by both MP's and those in the council.

I can't see any reason for it.

Why is it that MP's and councils give out nice big pensions when ours have been reduced to nothing.

Out of touch and out of control but the only thing that will put an end to it is a mass non payment of council tax by us all then our voices will be heard. The old gent in the news that was handcuffed and led away to prison for not paying his council tax was shown all around the world. What must they think of this country?

The way things are going it might come to that as they fail to or have selective hearing when we have something to say.

get involved in local politics ..stand for the council and show them how to slash costs without affecting services... really simple

Former_Spice

chris_spackman wrote: »

One big question lots are asking is:

When we are all looking at job cuts, pay cuts rsing bills rising council tax those in high office Westminster and Council are still able to live on high wages and big expenses.

When those complain about this and that what about us who have to deal with higher taxes, no pay increases etc.

When we see MP;s claiming stupid amounts of OUR money is there anything which would make us have faith in these people.

Why should we have to put up with the huge amounts of money which are wasted by councils and claimed as expenses by both MP's and those in the council.

I can't see any reason for it.

Why is it that MP's and councils give out nice big pensions when ours have been reduced to nothing.

Out of touch and out of control but the only thing that will put an end to it is a mass non payment of council tax by us all then our voices will be heard. The old gent in the news that was handcuffed and led away to prison for not paying his council tax was shown all around the world. What must they think of this country?

The way things are going it might come to that as they fail to or have selective hearing when we have something to say.

To talkk about MP's and employees of local councils in the same sentance is, quite frankly, absolutely ridiculous. That's a bit like judging the incomes of a banks call centre workers but looking at one of the directors. Silly. Average pension for local councils is £3800, as of April that's being cut by a quarter for those that don't work to 65.

chewmylegoff

Former_Spice wrote: »

To talkk about MP's and employees of local councils in the same sentance is, quite frankly, absolutely ridiculous. That's a bit like judging the incomes of a banks call centre workers but looking at one of the directors. Silly. Average pension for local councils is £3800, as of April that's being cut by a quarter for those that don't work to 65.

whilst that figure might be correct, the figure is meaningless unless you know the number of years worked at the local council by the "average" pensioner.

clearly that is not the average pension paid to someone with a full 40 years of service in the local government pension scheme, which is a final salary scheme.

if it was then the average pay of a retiring council employee would be something like £5,700 pa, which it is clearly not.

£3,800pa sounds like the sort of pension you would get from about 10 years of working local government in a fairly low grade role.

lynzpower

£3,800pa sounds like the sort of pension you would get from about 10 years of working local government in a fairly low grade role

yes but the bulk of the jobs in LG are "low grade"

chris_spackman

I am sorry but i do refer to those higher up the food chain.

I wrote to my local MP who's party runs our council and put my concerns in about expenses claimed and what could be done.

His reply was ' councils need to make ends meet'

In my letter i was pointing to MP's expenses and those who sit high on a council and made that very very clear.

Does someone who earns £60k + need expenses for a flash car, a nice new kitchen at £11k etc etc.

At times like these it does just show how out of touch they are.

StevieJ

Not another 'I work oh so hard but those civil servants are lazy and overpaid' threads :rotfl:

lynzpower

Does someone who earns £60k + need expenses for a flash car, a nice new kitchen at £11k etc etc.

no they should pay for it themselves like we all have to

Chris have you spoken to your MP about this? what have they siad?

chris_spackman

StevieJ wrote: »

Not another 'I work oh so hard but those civil servants are lazy and overpaid' threads :rotfl:

No it's not.

Former_Spice

chewmylegoff wrote: »

whilst that figure might be correct, the figure is meaningless unless you know the number of years worked at the local council by the "average" pensioner.

clearly that is not the average pension paid to someone with a full 40 years of service in the local government pension scheme, which is a final salary scheme.

if it was then the average pay of a retiring council employee would be something like £5,700 pa, which it is clearly not.

£3,800pa sounds like the sort of pension you would get from about 10 years of working local government in a fairly low grade role.

40 years of funding a local government pension and being 65 years old is worth a pension of half salary which is the maximum under the current rules. No idea know where £5700 could have come from? The majority of council jobs are the low paid ones such as care workers. For all sorts of reasons, not that many people pay for a pension for 40 years. Final salaries are likely to be very close to current salaries given the state of government finances and the economy.