aaaaaahhhhhhh, someone please help

KimYeovil

slummymummyof3 wrote: »

Gosh.....that's helpful!

Glad to be of service.

Fire_Fox

angie_smith wrote: »

Thanks for all advice so far, we have a good Architect who is fighting our corner with the conservation officer, but he is insisting on wooden single glazed & must have the lead weight system in it too. the constructin of the walls are sandstone double layer in 2 rooms & what will become our en suite, & he is insisting on lime render on these walls & dot dash on the rest. We want to try & put the house back to as far to the original as possible (1824)but to fit in with modern day living (ie Double Glazing & Heating) but the way the CO is he might not allow us to go with period radiators as there is no heating in the house what so ever at the moment, & that is why we were considering Thermaskirt. Keep your advice coming Please:beer:

I personally don't agree with the decision not to allow double glazing as, assuming the old windows are rotten, this will not damage the fabric of the building. However old buildings breathe and move differently from modern ones, so it is actually in your interests to have lime render etc. Heating is a difficult one as it will affect the humidity of the air and therefore the fabric of the building. But to not allow either double glazing OR heating is plain stupid - the property won't be habitable. Have you tried throwing the problem back on the CO and asking what he WILL allow, and also what evidence he has for allowing or not allowing different systems?

rothers8080

A friend of mine used the magnetic tape + perspex glass route (ie it isn't permanent) in his listed flat in town.

LittleTinker

angie_smith wrote: »

Thanks for all advice so far, we have a good Architect who is fighting our corner with the conservation officer, but he is insisting on wooden single glazed & must have the lead weight system in it too. the constructin of the walls are sandstone double layer in 2 rooms & what will become our en suite, & he is insisting on lime render on these walls & dot dash on the rest. We want to try & put the house back to as far to the original as possible (1824)but to fit in with modern day living (ie Double Glazing & Heating) but the way the CO is he might not allow us to go with period radiators as there is no heating in the house what so ever at the moment, & that is why we were considering Thermaskirt. Keep your advice coming Please:beer:

I dont understand why you do actually want anyone to fight your corner for you.
These properties are listed for a reason and it spoils them when people insist on changing original features.
This is surely something you agreed to do when you took on the commitment.

teabelly

If the CO is being a pain in the rear then consider freestanding electric heating. If it isn't fixed he can't complain I don't think! You can get some quite efficient electric heaters. Plus it means you can move them around and reposition them to get the best effect and add more if needed. No ugly pipework either.

Someone is bound to do good quality double glazed sash windows that would satisfy conservation. The company below looks quite promising.

http://www.boxsash.com/sashwindows.php?link=ix

Pont

Secondary double glazing perhaps? I had them in a previous house and much preferred them to my present double glazed units (kept out more noise and no moisture between panes of glass). Quite a good article here -

http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/windows/thermal.htm

yorkshire_scot

Angie,
Cant help with the heating but would recommend secondary glazing.
I got mine from a company called 365 plastics after reading an article in the property section of the Mail on Sunday.It really is good. Have a look at their website. www.365plastics.com

Havent had it installed log enough to tell you how much I'm saving yet - but its a lot warmer and hallelujah! no condensation!

By the way, my house is over 200 years old - so I do understand your problem.

sashman

Oh Angie, there isnt enough space on their servers for this reply.

We make sash windows and face this sort of problem EVERY day.

Look Grade II listing is tougher than just a conservation area BUT we have been sucessful getting planners to accept double glazing, mainly because they cannot ignore the energy efficiency arguements.

The real issue is to submit information that the planners cannot ignore, and to get them to be open to "seeing" something that is an alternative to repeating the same energy loss for the next 50 years. The world cannot be that wasteful anymore

google sash window advice or buyers guides, we produce a conservation guide for sash windows, but the site isnt meant to advertise

If you cannot find the answers, send me a private message and I'll direct you further

hope this helps

sashman

Ken68

On Grand Designs Channel 4, last Wednesday, mention was made of a company in Edinburgh who supplied special double glazing.The project this week was also a Grade 11 listed building. Probably still viewable on Channel 4 equiv of iPlayer.
Grand Designs is also repeated every evening on More 4.
The Conservation Officers come over, to me, as very arrogant. They Have The Power. But times are changing. Patchwork conservation is being allowed to show changes over the years, certainly with brickwork, perhaps also windows.

Entertainer

LittleTinker wrote: »

I dont understand why you do actually want anyone to fight your corner for you.
These properties are listed for a reason and it spoils them when people insist on changing original features.
This is surely something you agreed to do when you took on the commitment.

There speaks someone who has never owned a listed property and had to deal with conservation officers.

From my experience, they were bureaucratic, jobsworth morons who did absolutely nothing to preserve original period features but simply took the line of least resistance and insisted on "like for like" replacement regardless of whether it has any architectural integrity. They would demand you replace a 1960's polystyrene lean to onto a 400 year old house if it was "like for like".