What happens to state benefit in a recession

MrsE_2

moggylover wrote: »

Now, for the genuine (and single) claimant who needs a great deal of help (and I need in excess of 12 hours a day for instance) and has to pay £5.73 per hour in order to get it this means that the amount one would really need per week to pay for the care one gets is (even allowing only 12 hours per day) £481.32, which is WHY the care in the community (:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ) system is extremely cheap for governments to run - it depends upon friends and family to supply free of charge assistance, or the disabled person just not getting the help they need in order to live anything like a normal life:D .

Now do you see why we will never get direct services instead of a little cash?;)

I know about this (through work).
Its a cheaper system to run.
It means the genuine claimant gets less than they need & also they don't have the buying power of the government (getting services enmass at a competive price & some vunerable people could be overcharged or underserved) & the fiddler gets money they never should have:rolleyes:

How does that serve anybody?

nickmason

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I was once told by a chess grandmaster that he thought up to 4 moves ahead, so I'm sceptical of the 7 (-:

Seriously, chess is a fantastic game. It's an easy one to play on-line as well, and the modern windows have a decent chess programme with different difficulty speeds in the games section.

When at school a friend and I used to play chess without the board:money:simply using the notation ("pawn to King four" etc). Although this was admittedly mainly showing off and actually not very MSE as somebody would have a board set up to arbitrate over disagreements!

Brain has gone south since then, though!!

WillowCat

PasturesNew wrote: »

I tried to sign up for A Level Pure Maths (and Statistics) a couple of years back - but it wasn't available as an evening class in the county where I was living. Not one evening class at A Level Maths in the whole county. That is how dire any form of self-training is these days. It simply didn't exist.

I wanted it so I could pursue more data analysis and stats stuff.

When I have a job/am settled in an area, I will try again to see if it's offered in any form locally there too.

Pastures, you may want to consider OU maths instead of A level? Depending on your experience either MU120 or MST121 to start. MU120 starts from (nearly) first principles and takes you to between O and A level - I found it great as I had little maths confidence. I haven't taken MST121 but it seems to sit in difficulty somewhere between A level and 1st year degree.

mramra

kim_ley wrote: »

my two yo can tell you every letter of the alphabet spell several words count to 30 count backwards from 10 and tell the time by the hour! he knows all his colours shapes body parts and he knows every fruit and veg and animal... even the odd ones! he knows our address and our postcode (he tells strangers :eek: ) He can hold a "real" conversation with around 3-4 sentences for a reply!!!!

Congratulations.

seven-day-weekend

huntersc wrote: »

Bit older than me then

The Cube is a toy/educational item that EVERY child should have. As for group theory, it's a branch concerned with transformations and symmetry. An example might be a conjugate, which is a part of a quadratic equation field or even Sylow Theorems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylow_theorems

This is good http://match.stanford.edu/bump/rubik.pdf

?Que? .................

WTF?_2

huntersc wrote: »

Whoops, I'm going off topic a bit here, just feel strongly about it. It's such a shame kids aren't excited about knowledge anymore. So depressing to see them not relating what they learn in the classroom to everyday life, trajectory and motion to the basketball going through the hoop, friction and energy transferal when balls are hit in snooker, the list goes on.

For quite a few years the media have been promoting the idea to the masses that "It's good to be fick".

I first noticed it with Jade Goody but I think it was going on for a few years before then.

Everything has been dumbed down and starts from the assumption that if brains were dynamite, the average person wouldn't have enough to blow their hat off.

Yep - if you're a man all you need to know are inane stats about football. For women, you just need to know which celebrity is dating which other celeb and what the latest trendy handbag is. Just look to the Sun and Sky TV for all your knowledge. Forget about asking awkward questions about anything, especially not the economy or politics. All you need to know is that the Party is doing everything it can to help hard working families like yours....... :rolleyes:

seven-day-weekend

Moggylover, thank you for your sensitive post above about giving people hope and showing them a better way, which I agree ideally is the standard we should all aspire to.

Just to say, I know a man, now appproaching sixty, who came from the local 'sink estate'. He was in a decent working class family, but was given no hope or aspirations - their idea of 'getting on' was being the foreman in the local factory. He was a bright child, but was not encouraged in his schoolwork, nor to do well at school - it wasn't for 'people like them'.

As he approached adulthood, he toyed with the idea of getting the requisite qualifications and training to be a teacher, but the old input of 'it wasn't for people like them' stuck and he found it difficult to approach colleges etc, so started doing various correspondence courses.

His life changed when he got a job as a Security Guard at the local Polytechnic. He spent loads of time 'checking' the library and the scientifc experiments that the students had left set up. One day, one of the lecturers said he wanted to speak to him about it. The man thought he was in trouble, but the tutor said he'd been watching him and could see he had the intelligence and motivation to do a degree. He didn't need the qualifications as a mature student. Would he be interested?

All I can say is, that little bit of encouragement and showing a different way was the beginning of a different life for that man. he was able to go on , do his degree (1st Class Honour), trained to be a teacher and then for the next twenty years was an inspirational teacher (verifed by various Heads) in two Secondary Schools.

Sorry to go on, just wanted to say that giving people hope and encouragement DOES work, as you say in your post.

chucky

!!!!!!? wrote: »

Yep - if you're a man all you need to know are inane stats about football. For women, you just need to know which celebrity is dating which other celeb and what the latest trendy handbag is. Just look to the Sun and Sky TV for all your knowledge. Forget about asking awkward questions about anything, especially not the economy or politics. All you need to know is that the Party is doing everything it can to help hard working families like yours....... :rolleyes:

what a great generalisation

gemmalouanna

moggylover wrote: »

Well as a genuine DLA claimant, I for one would just love it! Let me explain to you just how much care one needs in order to qualify for the higher rate care! Almost 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! You will need someone with you at night, and not just sleeping in your home, but up and caring for you, you will need help dressing, washing, cooking, eating and taking medicines. For all that care on DLA one gets the princely sum of £67.00 plus one can claim another £50 direct for a carer! This brings the total to £117.00 per week!

Now, for the genuine (and single) claimant who needs a great deal of help (and I need in excess of 12 hours a day for instance) and has to pay £5.73 per hour in order to get it this means that the amount one would really need per week to pay for the care one gets is (even allowing only 12 hours per day) £481.32, which is WHY the care in the community (:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ) system is extremely cheap for governments to run - it depends upon friends and family to supply free of charge assistance, or the disabled person just not getting the help they need in order to live anything like a normal life:D .

Now, I am not complaining about the amount I get! I am not claiming it should be more (although I do think there should be more direct services available to us as well:o ) and I am not denying that there are a nucleous of people out there who have the acting abilities of an oscar winner and get money they should not be getting. However, getting DLA is not easy even when you genuinely DO have a disability, and I have to admit that I find it hard to believe that there are as many great actors out there as the Daily Mail would have us believe:D . What I AM trying to point out is that since, in my own case for instance, the other alternative would be for me to live in a home or institution of some kind, which would need to be nurse/medical supervised due to medication needs and which would thus be more like £1K per week!

Now do you see why we will never get direct services instead of a little cash?;)

I do see what you are saying about the massive costs involved but if they would stamp down on the people lying to get DLA it could free up so much money for the people who genuinely need the actual care - which they should actually receive. My OH gets annoyed with the many cases he sees when drug users are in care and the care home de-registers and becomes private sending the costs from a flat £400 pw charge to £50 rent pw and around £2000 pw for the 'care package' and that is each week for them and this is of course increasing as there is much money to be obtained from the gov for running such an establishment - so that is why I think people like yourselves should get it....almost makes the costs you quote reasonable

I think that for some people who kick up a fuss because they expect DLA even though they don't qualify/don't really need it compared to others it is too easy to get - they appeal and often the appeals service don't seem to follow the actual LAW which the DM has to, they pass out every time the medical exam takes place - DM's are being encouraged to cut back of getting medical evidence due to the cost, they have even mentioned along the lines of 'giving the customer what they want' for customer satisfaction reasons! Friend who deals with fraud told us about a guy who was on highest rate mob for 'bad back' yet working as a roofer - someone recorded him up and down a ladder and he has claimed it was a 'good day' - this has been accepted and he is allowed to keep the benefit much to the annoyance of friend who wastes time on these cases - these are the idiots who use up the money people like you are entitled to

The_White_Horse

The lefty way is not to bring everyone up, but rather to drag everyone down. that is the lefts idea of fairness. eveyone the same. thick.

the left just can't handle the fact that some people are bad, lazy, rotten, clever, good etc. they think it is all social engineering. It isn't. some people are just bad. some people are just good. some are clever, some are stupid.

do you remember a channel 4 programme where they took a black child from some inner city comprehensive and placed him in a posh countryside boarding school. he had nothing, and was given everything. do you think he appreciated the chance? of course not. he was expelled within a year or so, for dealing drugs.

some people are just rotten to the core.

lefties, understand this.