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What happens to state benefit in a recession
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Its cheaper to have admin staff doing jobs that they can do, rather than paying operational (Teachers) staff to do everything.
Not in all cases and some are not needed - although some are very useful and really help with workload - I think my school has just got the balance wrong.
Eg. A teacher used to do the health and safety job with 1 hour extra free lesson a week for about 2k per year now we employ full time H&S officer (recall about £14k) - he even admits he cannot fill his time and just helps the care taker out, exams officer used to be done by teacher for couple of thousand and now full time - however, in some cases it does help (eg. chasing up absence as a teacher may not have chance to do this until after 3pm if it were left to them but officer can start at 9am)0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »You forgot:
4. Give them some Stella, that keeps the bleeders quiet for an hour or two so your mates can come round and have a smoke of some weed without the brat interrupting.
Though they all drank cider as it's stronger.
Or may be it's just the thing to do in the large Asda near me.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
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...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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Half those roles never existed/were done by nobody, when I was at school.gemmalouanna wrote: »
... an exams officer, an attendance officer, welfare officer, data anaylsis officer, general receptionists, apprentice receptionists, heads assisstant, several key workers, house keeper, health and safety officer....and that is just off the top of my head! It really has gone crazy every cleaning cupboard has been turned into an office.
There was no reception, no reception area, no receptionists. If you wanted something you walked in through the main doors, up to the school office where the two ladies worked and walked in.
There was no housekeeper. No idea what that is even.
No health and safety officer. Any health and safety would be somebody spotting a puddle/leak and thinking "I'll try to get the caretaker onto that, or let the ladies in the office know about it".
No idea what a key worker is.
Attendance officers - no idea what they are. There was a truant bloke that would go round from the county hall rounding up kids I think.
A welfare officer - I think we had a teacher you could go to that basically said "there there, now pull yourself together and get to your next class, you're late"
Jobs gone mad!0 -
Fair enough.neverdespairgirl wrote: »Sorry, I don't know.
It was always implied to me by the teachers I know in different boroughs that the number of classroom assistants in a class depends on the number of special needs kids in the class.
So if there are no special needs kids in 2 classes of the same age group (and it does happen) then there will be a classroom assistant for 2 classes.
There as some children need a classroom assistant mainly for themselves so the class will end up with one who is suppose to be responsible for helping that particular kid.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
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PasturesNew wrote: »Half those roles never existed/were done by nobody, when I was at school.
There was no reception, no reception area, no receptionists. If you wanted something you walked in through the main doors, up to the school office where the two ladies worked and walked in.
There was no housekeeper. No idea what that is even.
No health and safety officer. Any health and safety would be somebody spotting a puddle/leak and thinking "I'll try to get the caretaker onto that, or let the ladies in the office know about it".
No idea what a key worker is.
Attendance officers - no idea what they are. There was a truant bloke that would go round from the county hall rounding up kids I think.
A welfare officer - I think we had a teacher you could go to that basically said "there there, now pull yourself together and get to your next class, you're late"
Jobs gone mad!
House keeper = cleaner as care taker covers DIY aspects of school.
We have 4 key workers and I cannot tell you what they do - other than disuss problems (eg.relationships- the meeting is always in GCSE lesson time of course), and they also give out uniform passes for those wearing trainers/tracksuit pants etc!!!
Truant bloke you mention - we employed the guy who did many school just for ourselves!! plus lady in office who calls to ask why they are off - but it is soon to be done via texting.
I love your last quote it is more like they turn up and say "can Sammy have some work to do with me as she is a bit upset today" - at which point I scrabble something worthless together whilst the rest of the class get a few mins off waiting for me to get back to them.0 -
gemmalouanna wrote: »
I know I just feel sorry trying to teach conduction/convection/radiation or something when they just need some basic skills - thankfully we are tailoring our work to applying science to their everday life and they seem to get something out of it - but there is no 'evidence' of work in their books we spend a lot of time discussing and trying to do practicals to develop social skills - sometimes I wonder if it is obvious that it is a science lesson
I never had it that bad, though a few of mine would be around 7 on the reading scale at age 10-11. Everyone benefited greatly from practicals, but they became harder to find time for in the later years. (Retired now)
I could never get this thing about teachers not 'expecting' enough from the kids who'd been dragged-up. In our school we accepted they had a very wide range of ability, but it was getting the able ones to use it that was a problem. Some would die rather than lose their cred, others would be terrified by a challenge and the rest would just prefer @rsing around. Much subtle psychology and tough love was involved, especially when you knew there was absolutely no back-up at home.
They weren't all 'working class' either. We had a few arriving daily by BMW who were also very 'needy.'0 -
You've picked up on something there that always amazes me.
Why is it seen as 'not cool' to do well at school whilst you are there? I have seen this not only from my eldest son (who calls me a boff) but also on an awful lot of American teen films/programmes.
I keep trying to tell my son that it is better to be 'a boff' and be able to get a well paying job later on in life than someone who fails and has to take a minimum wage job.We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
gemmalouanna wrote: »
I never had it that bad, though a few of mine would be around 7 on the reading scale at age 10-11. Everyone benefited greatly from practicals, but they became harder to find time for in the later years. (Retired now)
I could never get this thing about teachers not 'expecting' enough from the kids who'd been dragged-up. In our school we accepted they had a very wide range of ability, but it was getting the able ones to use it that was a problem. Some would die rather than lose their cred, others would be terrified by a challenge and the rest would just prefer @rsing around. Much subtle psychology and tough love was involved, especially when you knew there was absolutely no back-up at home.
They weren't all 'working class' either. We had a few arriving daily by BMW who were also very 'needy.'
I think it has just really started to shock me and I have only been teaching for 5 years, they are coming in so weak in year 7 this particular class I have are a lovely bunch but it is truly scary what they cannot do - they are enthusiastic enough, they put a good effort in with easy homework I set but the problem is I cannot read the words to mark it (one boy wrote about microbes in his bathroom and using bleach to kill them -not one word was understandable so I now ask them all to read their homework to me
Agree with what you say about the idea of teachers not 'expecting enough' with some pupils we need to be realistic and not knock their confidence even more.0 -
Why is it seen as 'not cool' to do well at school whilst you are there? I have seen this not only from my eldest son (who calls me a boff) but also on an awful lot of American teen films/programmes.
I think it depends a lot on the school "culture" among the pupils. At the school my sisters and I went to, doing well was cool, and doing badly was sad. My sister was in the bottom set for languages GCSE, and was very embarrassed by it....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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