excess weight takes my breath away!

Ted_Hutchinson

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

:too right!! - whatever works for you works for you! Ted H, chill out!!

How do farmers fatten cattle?
How do they fatten pigs?
What do they use to fatten poultry?
And what do we use to fatten fish?

So what do we need to fatten fools?

noonesperfect

sparrer wrote: »

Oh dear, whenever I start a new thread somebody seems to upset somebody else. This is about whats right for the person, not the whole world, we're all different and so are our metabolisms. Some years ago I went to SW and had some success with their programme so I can't criticise it. Someone elses preferred methods I know nothing about except that I've read the links and know it wouldn't suit me personally. Please let's be nice.

I set out for a short walk this morning, got to the end of the road (only 5 houses away) but even though I was wrapped up it was so cold I came back . *I have 2 fit young men* (son and friend) in my house atm with their weights, bench, rowing machine, twisty thing and stretchy thing. I'm tempted by the rowing machine, might give it a try when they're out tomorrow.

I read on the British Lung Foundation site (thank you for the link noonesperfect) that hairspray and perfume are no-go items for copd, bit peeved cos I was given some very expensive perfume for Christmas! Ah well, DGD will like it

Ooooh lucky you :cool: :rolleyes: (shame one of them's your son!!!!)

I think maybe the perfume thing is a "suck it and see" situation. If perfume doesn't normally affect you then maybe it's not a problem. You could spray in front of you and walk into the mist (without breathing in!!) then maybe you could get away with it. It'll certainly be less pungent, so will probably affect your airways less. Don't give it away just yet!!
I know someone with asthma/copd can't be near perfumed products first thing in the morning, but this improves later in the day

foreign_correspondent

Ted_Hutchinson wrote: »

How do farmers fatten cattle?
How do they fatten pigs?
What do they use to fatten poultry?
And what do we use to fatten fish?

So what do we need to fatten fools?

... is the answer cadbury's dairy milk? Have I won anything??

seriously though, the answer is calories, it does not really matter one jot what the source, or whether you eat them at 8am or 10pm

You can talk about carbs being fattening, but in my experience when someone is seriously underweight (anorexic teenagrs, sickly babies, old ladies) the advice is generally 'get as many calories into them as possible' - with cream and butter being added to everything as the source of these calories.

gram for gram carbs have just 1/9 of the calories of fat, and whsn I lost weight most sucessfully was when I had gallstones and so avoided fatty food religiously - still got through plenty of bread, rice and pasta though!

Ted_Hutchinson

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

seriously though, the answer is calories, it does not really matter one jot what the source, or whether you eat them at 8am or 10pm

Come on then explain why I can eat more calories each day than I need for basal metabolic needs but don't gain weight. Yet eating the same amount of calories I was previously gaining weight consistently?

You MUST explain how If all calories are equal as far as weight gain is concerned how come experiments like this show certain oils predispose to increased weight gain? Can you not see that if all those mice had the same calorie intake but some oil/carb mixes produced a greater weight gain there is something going on that predisposes some fat/carb mixes to induce greater fat storage than other combinations.

Why can't you understand that people who use coconut oil (high in Medium Chain Tryglycerides) are able to eat more calories and still lose weight than people using high omega 6 oils?

Nicki

It doesn't matter a jot how or why low carb diets work from a scientific point of view. I am prepared to accept that they do work in that if you can stick to this way of eating then you will lose weight, and even that you will lose weight faster than on a different kind of diet.

However for most people, low calorie, low fat or low GI diets will also work. Organisations such as Slimming World or Weightwatchers (neither of which I've ever been a member of btw) can produce hundreds of members who have lost or are losing weight using their methods.

I stand by my view that the important thing is to find a way of eating which you can stick to, which results in you losing weight. Frankly it makes no difference to me what the science behind low carb diets is, or whether or not I am "addicted" to carbs or not. Even if this is the reason why the diet is not a long term solution for me, I personally am not prepared to feel terrible for a long period of time, and have a diet which I personally will always find hard to stick to, simply so that I can eat a large quantity of food and remain slim. I would far prefer to eat moderate portions of food I enjoy and which makes me feel healthy and well. There are others (and Ted is obviously one) who feel well and healthy on low carb, and enjoy these kinds of foods, and for them I'm sure it is a great plan.

Personally I can't see why there has to be only one way of eating for all dieters, and why it is important how fast the weight comes off, provided it does come off, and stay off. I think Ted has provided sufficient links to enable sparrer to take a decision as to whether this is the correct diet for her, but I'm not sure she needs to be bullied and hectored into following a low carb diet, and not to look at other ways of managing her weight and taking a reasoned decision as to which will suit her lifestyle, tastes and needs best.

hamish222

I agree totally Nikki, it is great for people like Ted who the diet suits, personally I felt awful when I tried low carb diet. I made myself really ill. It is all about finding a diet that you can enjoy and can fit into your lifestyle. Different things will work for different people.

Nicki wrote: »

It doesn't matter a jot how or why low carb diets work from a scientific point of view. I am prepared to accept that they do work in that if you can stick to this way of eating then you will lose weight, and even that you will lose weight faster than on a different kind of diet.

However for most people, low calorie, low fat or low GI diets will also work. Organisations such as Slimming World or Weightwatchers (neither of which I've ever been a member of btw) can produce hundreds of members who have lost or are losing weight using their methods.

I stand by my view that the important thing is to find a way of eating which you can stick to, which results in you losing weight. Frankly it makes no difference to me what the science behind low carb diets is, or whether or not I am "addicted" to carbs or not. Even if this is the reason why the diet is not a long term solution for me, I personally am not prepared to feel terrible for a long period of time, and have a diet which I personally will always find hard to stick to, simply so that I can eat a large quantity of food and remain slim. I would far prefer to eat moderate portions of food I enjoy and which makes me feel healthy and well. There are others (and Ted is obviously one) who feel well and healthy on low carb, and enjoy these kinds of foods, and for them I'm sure it is a great plan.

Personally I can't see why there has to be only one way of eating for all dieters, and why it is important how fast the weight comes off, provided it does come off, and stay off. I think Ted has provided sufficient links to enable sparrer to take a decision as to whether this is the correct diet for her, but I'm not sure she needs to be bullied and hectored into following a low carb diet, and not to look at other ways of managing her weight and taking a reasoned decision as to which will suit her lifestyle, tastes and needs best.

foreign_correspondent

Come on then explain why I can eat more calories each day than I need for basal metabolic needs but don't gain weight. Yet eating the same amount of calories I was previously gaining weight consistently?

Well, I hope for your sake its not worms.

But, as others have said if that works for you, great.

Low fat worked better for me than anything I have ever tried - but that may have been because I stuck to it very strictly as having recently had both gallstones pain and ensuing pancreatitis I was very keen not to trigger another attack!

Whatever suits the OP's food likes and dislikes and lifestyle is likely to be most sustainable and sucessful for her.

...how is it going so far??

Ted_Hutchinson

hamish222 wrote: »

I agree totally Nikki, it is great for people like Ted who the diet suits, personally I felt awful when I tried low carb diet. I made myself really ill. It is all about finding a diet that you can enjoy and can fit into your lifestyle. Different things will work for different people.

No one needs to life totally without carbohydrates. That would not be natural. So anyone who finds the induction period of Atkins difficult need not worry about that, it is only a fast track for the diet, it is not an essential part of it. Indeed I have never done an induction period because Dr Dahlqvist's plan doesn't have one and I'm too lazy to go to that much trouble.

But the laws of nature are the laws of nature. The way our DNA works is basically the same as occured before humans developed agriculture and the way we process refined carbohydrates is the same for each of us.
It is simply ludicrous to suggest that anyone who is currently showing signs of allergic reaction to carbohydrates should carry on eating them at every meal. Why for God's Sake?
Would you require someone with peanut allergy to be force fed peanuts 3 times daily?
So why when we see people who demonstrably cannot handle carbohyrdates well do you try to oblige them to feel they must have them on every plate they eat?
It is carbohydrates that oblige your body to store fat and not burn it.
So if you don't want to store any more fat but you want to get rid of the fat you have currently stored the simplest thing to do is to lower your carbohydrate intake to the point you no longer store fat you burn your already stored fat instead.
Easy.

Of course the masochists who enjoy semi starvation will enjoy a calorie restricted diet.
and those masochists who enjoy working themselves into a sweat can if they like that form of self mutilation endulge themselves with the self flaggelation of excessive excercise.
But honestly there is no need for semi starvation. There is absolutely no need for any kind of food limitation or exercise self torture.

If I can lose 2.25lbs a week each week simply by not eating bread, pasta rice or sugar and not doing extra exercise, I really don't see why anyone else should find it difficult.

When you understand fully how bad wheat is for you you really will wonder why some people are so addicted to it.

Nicki

I give up!

You are of course completely right Ted. The only way to lose weight and to keep it off is by following a low carb diet for the rest of your life. :rolleyes:

And sparrer, if you fail to lose weight because you are "addicted to carbs" like me, hamish and the very very many people in the last link which Ted has kindly included (including the poor woman who put on 30lbs after eating one cracker!) it is because you are a BAD person, and not because this diet is very very difficult to adhere to as a permanent life choice

However, should you know that you are no:A, you can perhaps come up with some alternatives to low carbing, which will not work , but which will make you less overweight and healthier than you are now...

Now if we all tiptoe away, maybe we'll avoid Ted posting his before and after pics...

sparrer

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Whatever suits the OP's food likes and dislikes and lifestyle is likely to be most sustainable and sucessful for her.

...how is it going so far??

I don't think I need to diet, I'm trembling the weight off every time I read this board!!!

I said it yesterday and I will say it today - we're all different, what suits one doesn't necessarily suit another. I lost weight with SW, I've read about the low carb diet and while it might suit some it is not for me.

While dieting is a sensible way to lose weight, exercise plays its part. Today I'm eating up all the carp in the house (well not all, but you know what I mean :rolleyes: ) ready for NY Day when I start properly and will be including a lot of SW menus in my plan. I've also shuffled to the corner and back again. Sheesh it was cold - but I was pleased I got that far two days running. It's a start, by Easter I'll make the post box 500 yards away ha ha.

UKTigerlily DGD is dear grand-daughter. She may not be getting the perfume though as I've been told that as long as I don't spray it near my face it should be okay. So ears/neck are a no-no but wrists/behind the knees are okay..I love noonesperfect's idea of spraying it into the air and walking into it but knowing me even if it didn't end up down my throat I'd probably forget to close my eyes :doh:

Nikki I'm obviously the most evil person, I actually want to follow some of the SW eating plan (prefer to call it that, the word diet seems more offputting somehow) rather than a low carb one. I cannot/will not go without a jacket potato, slice of home made bread or occasional home made chips for the rest of my life. Quelle horreur! :eek:

On a serious note I do hope there's no more disagreement about who eats what. I find it quite disturbing when people join in just because they have a fixation about something and insist that only their way of thinking is right. There's not just one way to lose weight oherwise there wouldn't be such a variety of books, clubs etc..all of which have been proven to work for some people. I'll get off my soap box now