Labour planning secret tax on 'nice houses'

Dustangle

pickles110564 wrote: »

Everybody enters this life with the same gift, it is then up to them how hard they work at school to learn (which of course is free to everyone) they then decide which path to take, it is up to them..

No it isn't. Review the evidence i nstead of believing what you read in The Sun or the Daily Mail. People in some parts of the country who were born in one area will predictably enjoy poorer education, enjoy worse health, and live shorter lives than others. People who already enjoy advantages will perpetuate that advantage by moving to places where the schools are better, or will buy privilege and advantage by sending their kids to private schools. Wealth buys privilege. Modernising taxation arrangements to redistribute burdens sounds fair enough.

slipthru

pickles110564 wrote: »

Oh is that right, I know a plumber that has never paid any tax on his earnings and he has been doing this job for 20 years and I pay him a day rate of £135, so how much tax shoould he have paid? and how many others are out there doing the same?
How many taxi drivers do nice little airport runs for cash?
How many trades do cash in hand work on saturdays?
How many LL's pump the cash they get in their grubby little hands straight in their pockets.
How many people copying CD's Dvds etc pay tax on these gains?
How many gardeners declare their loot.
Get real it goes on all the time and must cost the Government billions of pounds.

I didn't say it doesn't go on i said that all the huge company's earning millions a year comes up to much bigger tax bill than the taxi driver or plumber who doesn't declare everything.

GooeyBlob

ManAtHome wrote: »

Doesn't really matter who gets in next - heaps of billions will have to paid back and property taxes will be high on the list.

To a large extent, I agree with you. That said, I can't see Gordon and co. making the required cuts to public spending that are now required. Also, some of Brown's measures have proven to be bad ideas, such as ignoring house price inflation when setting interest rates. For political reasons, these won't be put right again until Gordon goes.

codger

Nice Torygraph story, with a small basis of fact.

ZanuLabour isn't going to get re-elected and it knows it. It's why Brown & Co have gone on a borrowing spree the like of which has not been seen before, content in the knowledge they'll be well away in their velvet lifeboats when the ship of state, having run out of steam, hits the rocks.

Central Government is NEVER going to oversee a Council Tax hike of the kind mentioned in the ToryGraph because central Government knows that national elections are, funnily enough, alwaays local elections (whilst local elections rarely count for very much at all.)

After the next general election, look for as substantial an increase in VAT as the EU will allow.

Be nice to see a major slashing of State benefits, too, because I still can't fathom why it's necessary to pay out £millions in Child Allowance for every sprog in the family: the first should be enough.

beingjdc

pickles110564 wrote: »

Everybody enters this life with the same gift, it is then up to them how hard they work at school to learn (which of course is free to everyone) they then decide which path to take, it is up to them.
My youngest daughter is still not two and has been able to count to ten and string sentances with 4 or more words for ages.

And it makes no difference to her chances in life whether you can afford to send her to Rodean, or live in the area of Harrogate Girls' Grammar School, or if you're stuck in a Council flat in inner London and she has to go to a Hackney Comprehensive, then?

All that would matter would be how hard she worked when she got there, not the class sizes, the ease of recruiting good teachers, or whether swots were beaten up at breaktimes?

neverdespairgirl

olly300 wrote: »

I've known and know children around 2 who can speak proper sentences and count. In fact some of them can do this in more than one language.

I also know children who don't speak at all until they are about 3, come out with very complex sentences and in fact the problem is now they have found their voice they won't shut up. (Doesn't mean they have not understood you since they were about 1 they have just decided they don't want to speak.)

The real issue is by the age of 4 the child should be able to speak properly.

Isaac didn't speak much until he was about 3. Odd words here and there, but not a great deal. Then he started jabbering away in both English and Hebrew, and as you say, can't shut him up now.

My Dad's helpful advice on child rearing was, "you spend 2 years teaching them to talk and walk, and 16 years thereafter teaching them to sit down and shut up".

olly300

beingjdc wrote: »

And it makes no difference to her chances in life whether you can afford to send her to Rodean, or live in the area of Harrogate Girls' Grammar School, or if you're stuck in a Council flat in inner London and she has to go to a Hackney Comprehensive, then?

All that would matter would be how hard she worked when she got there, not the class sizes, the ease of recruiting good teachers, or whether swots were beaten up at breaktimes?

Not all inner London boroughs have bad comprehensives.

Unfortunately if you are poor and don't have parents who know how to play the system then it's all down to luck.

If you have parents who can play the system then you are more likely to get into a good school.

If you are rich then your parents will just send you private.

Also if you are in a council flat/house in a good area (and these people still exist) why should you pay more tax? Your house isn't nicer it's just by luck you ended up being placed in a nicer area.

SingleSue

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Isaac didn't speak much until he was about 3. Odd words here and there, but not a great deal. Then he started jabbering away in both English and Hebrew, and as you say, can't shut him up now.

My Dad's helpful advice on child rearing was, "you spend 2 years teaching them to talk and walk, and 16 years thereafter teaching them to sit down and shut up".

Joe didn't start talking in sentences until he was 5 and even then they were 3 word sentences and he was non verbal until he was around 4.

He is another one that will talk the hind leg off a donkey once he is on his chosen subject!

Mind you, he could work out and give you an answer to a maths question before he could ask for a cup of juice.

James and Josh were both very early talkers...James talks a lot but Josh is more the strong silent type.

ManAtHome

GooeyBlob wrote: »

I can't see Gordon and co. making the required cuts to public spending that are now required.

I can't see Dave and Ozzy (or Cleggy and Grommit) sorting things out anywhere near quickly enough either. I suspect the eventual statements will be along the lines of "we don't want to do this, but the IMF have inisted due to (a) Troosers wrecking our [stable/well-placed] e-Con, or (b) due to the US wrecking our miracle e-Con"...

The_White_Horse

olly300 wrote: »

Also if you are in a council flat/house in a good area (and these people still exist) why should you pay more tax? Your house isn't nicer it's just by luck you ended up being placed in a nicer area.

they shouldn't have council flats/houses in nice areas.