Would you consider emigrating if the recession gets really bad here in the UK?

lostinrates

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

People who emigrate to run away from their problems are fooling themselves, their problems go with them because their attitude and outlook is the problem.

My mother is an immigrant to UK, she's done ok. Do you really know no happy immigrants? I've met lots who are happy in other parts of the world too. Perhaps the same can be said that if you are a happy person wher you are, adaptable, curious you can mak a home and friends in lots of places!

The Aussies didn't coin the phrase 'whinging Pom' for nothing. So many Brits make a big deal about leaving the UK, then slink back after a couple of years, tails between their legs and a warm pint of beer in their hands.

LOL, this is true too:D , met these ones, here and elsewhere. But I think its not so much a British trait, but as you say, a trait of people who didn't understand you take your self with you when you go.


As I said above, so many British nationals have strong connctions with elsewhere

Cannon_Fodder

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

People who emigrate to run away from their problems are fooling themselves, their problems go with them because their attitude and outlook is the problem. Compound this with the feeling of isolation and loneliness when family and friends are left behind, coupled with a lack of knowledge about their new country's culture, legistature and society (and perhaps language), makes for a depressing mixture.

There are so many pessimistic and negative people on this particular forum and surprise surprise they're the ones who are promoting emigration. I'm afraid though that the reality will be that they simply take their negativity and pessimism with them, and instead of moaning about being too cold and wet, they'll moan about being too hot and dry. The Aussies didn't coin the phrase 'whinging Pom' for nothing. So many Brits make a big deal about leaving the UK, then slink back after a couple of years, tails between their legs and a warm pint of beer in their hands.

To get back to the original question, it will come as no surprise that I (like NDG) love the UK and would never emigrate. I am, however, seeking out contracts in Europe so that I can take advantage of the more bouyant job market and the great exchange rate.

Should the Mayflower not have taken people away from religious persecution, because it was 'running away'?

Maybe a proportion of later migrants to America, across a range of nationalities, were pretty doom and gloom about their old countries, which is why they left and transferred their energies to an environment that they could thrive in, instead of being under the heel of gentry or the jack-boot of oppression...modern version = yoke of debt/cost of living?

Not saying I totally disagree with your sentiment. My own inate pessimism will probably prevent me from being brave enough to make a radical change - I have my pipe dreams, but so far they have stayed dreams - but which is worse, sticking with something you know to be 'okay' or choosing to 'run away'?

Things are rarely so black and white.

"Sometimes a change is as good as a rest" - could apply to job, country, government...

clearmydebts

I would like to move to Northern Spain in about 5 years but it has nothing to do with the recession and ideally I would like to keep a property here.

I moved from Ireland to the UK 6 years ago and I can tell you, Ireland is in even a worse position at the moment. Things have really gotten bad there.

The reason I want to move to Spain is for the weather and the laid back lifestyle. I love the cities, countryside and am learning the language. When I move with OH we will ensure that we both have good jobs and a reasonable grasp of the language. We also want to live in a town that isn't over run by ex-pats. I do believe that our dream will come true but this is something that we have discussed and wanted for the last 5 years. We just have to make sure it is sustainable before we go as I don't want to be living on a bad wage over there.

Good luck to anyone that makes the move, and equally good luck to anyone who wants to stay. The UK has many positive features.

swingjune

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

People who emigrate to run away from their problems are fooling themselves, their problems go with them because their attitude and outlook is the problem. Compound this with the feeling of isolation and loneliness when family and friends are left behind, coupled with a lack of knowledge about their new country's culture, legistature and society (and perhaps language), makes for a depressing mixture.

Well said :T

I have travelled to many countries because of OH's work, UK is still the best :j

GDB2222

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I love the UK, wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Is home, innit.

OH's family, on the other hand, give migration a whole new context. OH, his parents, and grandparents were each born in a different country. 7 of them, 7 different jurisdictions (-:

Both my parents were immigrants to this country in the 1930's. My father firmly intended to go to the the US, but he got so sea-sick crossing the Channel that he couldn't face going across the Atlantic. So, it's a bit hit-and-miss how we ended up here, and we haven't got generations of roots in this country. I'd like to see the kids settled somewhere reasonably safe and where there is a more positive trend. Also, the world's population seems set at least to double during the kids' lifetimes. Half the world's population is under the age of 25.

StevieJ

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I tell you, I miss the Scottish fresh air and at this time, the snow.
It still doesn't feel right in December and its 30 degrees outside.
Scotland will always be home and

All together now.....

The Northern Lights of Old Aberdeen.
Mean home sweet home to me
The Northern Lights of Aberdeen
Are where I long to be

I've been a wanderer all of my life
And manys a sight I've seen
God spped the day, when I'm on my way
To my home in Aberdeen

[tear in my eye]..... [sniff]....[sniff]

I am from Manchester originally and I would miss it so much

I Heard a siren from the docks
Saw a train set the night on fire
I Smelled the spring on the smoky wind
Dirty old town
Dirty old town

cupid_s

I've looked at the possibility of emigrating, maybe to NZ because my sister is a NZ citizen and she'd love us to move out. But things would have the be really really bad here for us to be better off financially there. For example in DHs job, the starting salary here is £25k and you move up the payscale pretty quickly, the same job starts at $50k in NZ. And despite what lots of people would have you believe the cost of living is not much lower there. Particularly not if you have to live in certain areas due to your work. My sister has come back with her husband and child for a short while and they can live quite comfortably on one wage here. There is no way they will be able to afford to live in NZ unless they are both working full time, and with a baby and no help towards childcare costs that's not easy.

Apart from that half the people who say they'll emigrate to these places haven't actually stopped to think they probably wont be let in!

Dithering_Dad

Cannon_Fodder wrote: »

Should the Mayflower not have taken people away from religious persecution, because it was 'running away'?

In 1620 John Carver, William Bradford, Edward Winslow and other Puritans from England who had been living in Holland decided to emigrate to America. One hundred and two people boarded the Mayflower in Delft Harbour and after crossing the Atlantic settled at a place they called Plymouth in Massachusetts Bay. The Separatists established their own government and Carver was elected governor of the colony. The plan was for the pilgrims to live on fish caught from the sea. However, they were not very successful at this, and by the spring of 1621 half of them had died of starvation or disease.

So, to recap, a load of disgruntled English people left England and went to Holland. They couldn't settle there either and so they up-rooted again and went to America where half of them died. Righto then.

A second ship called the Mayflower made a voyage in 1641, departing London in October of that year under master John Cole, with 140 passengers bound for Virginia. It never arrived.

So, to recap, a load of disgruntled English people left England and were never seen again. All of them died. Righto then.

Cannon_Fodder

Okay they weren't equipped for the American wilderness. If there has been MSE then, you could have told them all the pitfalls...

...and the millions of poles, irish, italians, germans, later english, scots, jews of various nationalities etc during later centuries?

History depicts this as a great movement or people, especially with the settling of the West, who saw a brighter future and had the gumption to grasp the opportunity. For it to be brighter, the place they came from had to be 'darker' in their opinion.

Should german jews have said, oh doom and gloom, but I'll stay and see what happens because I don't want to be thought of as running away - oh, that's what did happen and look what happened...

We can pick extreme elements of a particular event to demonstrate your/my point.

But for there to have been millions of various nationalities WANTING to go there meant by definition that things were not all they could want for, and they "voiced" that with their feet.

Does that make them all doom and gloomers or "go-getters" ?

Some of each, I would suggest.

Jonbvn

HankMcSpank wrote: »

won't be too bad....best babes in the world (hey, what's a man to look at)

I'd like to make a case that SE Asian females are better. However, this is really not the forum to expand on this issue:cool: