Would you consider emigrating if the recession gets really bad here in the UK?

lrr_2

I cant wait to emigrate although it wont be for a few years as I have to put myself through Uni first.
Reason - Hopefully better life and and better prospects for my kid. Sick of all the doom and gloom and dead end jobs in Britain, yeah it might be the same there as well but at least the weather will be better!

lynzpower

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

People who emigrate to run away from their problems are fooling themselves, their problems go with them because their attitude and outlook is the problem. Compound this with the feeling of isolation and loneliness when family and friends are left behind, coupled with a lack of knowledge about their new country's culture, legistature and society (and perhaps language), makes for a depressing mixture.

There are so many pessimistic and negative people on this particular forum and surprise surprise they're the ones who are promoting emigration. I'm afraid though that the reality will be that they simply take their negativity and pessimism with them, and instead of moaning about being too cold and wet, they'll moan about being too hot and dry. The Aussies didn't coin the phrase 'whinging Pom' for nothing. So many Brits make a big deal about leaving the UK, then slink back after a couple of years, tails between their legs and a warm pint of beer in their hands.

To get back to the original question, it will come as no surprise that I (like NDG) love the UK and would never emigrate. I am, however, seeking out contracts in Europe so that I can take advantage of the more bouyant job market and the great exchange rate.

Would love to agree with this but just cannot.

Do agree with you LIR.

"Making it" really depends what you mean- does it mean making enough money to sit comfortably in your gaff counting your pennies and ensuring that your offspring never want for anything? Or does it mean a genuine contribution to the world wherever that may be. Ive long felt that this economic powerhouse ( lol) of the UK holds little for me, but willing to take what I can get out of it in the short term. It has never been forever, but then not a lot is forever with me ( aside from OH of course :A)

One song will always sum it up for me and that is

The hills were alive with wildflowers
And I was as wild, even wilder than they
For at least I could run, they just died in the sun
And I refused to just wither in place
Just a wild mountain rose, needing freedom to grow
So I ran fearing not where I'd go
When a flower grows wild, it can always survive
Wildflowers don't care where they grow

And the flowers I knew in the fields where I grew
Were content to be lost in the crowd
They were common and close
I had no room for growth
I wanted so much to branch out
I uprooted myself from home ground and left
Took my dreams and I took to the road
When a flower grows wild, it can always survive
Wildflowers don't care where they grow.

I grew up fast and wild and I never felt right
In a garden so different from me
I just never belonged, I just longed to be gone
So the garden, one day, set me free
Hitched a ride with the wind and since he was my friend
I just let him decide where we'd go
When a flower grows wild, it can always survive
Wildflowers don't care where they grow.

When a flower grows wild, it can always survive
Wildflowers don't care where they grow

http://susie1114.com/WildflowerDontCare.html

Also a manc by birth - "the rain falls hard on a humdrum town, this town will drag you down" Love the city & its people but its just desperate in so many ways.

neverdespairgirl

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

People who emigrate to run away from their problems are fooling themselves, their problems go with them because their attitude and outlook is the problem.

It really does depend what the problems are, though.

Is English OK working across Rurope in your area, or are you fluent in various languages?

giruzz

lostinrates wrote: »

Ciao! May I ask where abouts in Italy? (my DH is on a plan to Italy now and I am stuck here ) Will moving on from here take you home?

I agree, IME Italy is vry much more racist, and there ar other good and bad differences. Trains in Italy are superb, and the metro (In Milan) is, IMO, more comfortable, if less extensive. Society is still actively aware of its rsponsibility towards youth in a practical way...if not in the way pensions will cripple the next generation! Universities, and schools in Italy are good (ma no il imbrogliando, eh? ). My husband went to a scuola classica and received, IMO, a wonderful education- parts of which I frankly envy, which allowed him to go to a good university here. Education is also rvered for its own right, knowing things is good in Italy, not just the qualification at the end. The public transport in Milano and Roma is good, clean, efficient, if less extensive perhaps, but also one can afford a taxi when one couldn't in London for a similar trip, and intercity trains are good. Tenants rights are better. The Italian emergency health care, is indeed excellent...and compassionate.

sometimes things are easier to get done in Italy, and I was surprised how oftn these routes ar offered to us but we have not taken them, and this has also brought us respect IMO. Society values its posessions, not all the time buying new and latest, and things, pocessions are valued.

My greatest fear however would be to be old and unmarried alone in Italy. state nursing homes are bleak: the downside of when family fails.

Hi,

Agreed with almost everything you say...but still..I moved to London. Jobs opportunities are *much* better here (but I just joined the active workforce)... and also...You need to learn to speak Italian if you want to work and live in Italy (unless you are working for a British/American/Swiss multinational)

Metro/Trains aren't that different from here..but they cost half (or less).

Schools have problems but you are still able to find good public schools almost anywhere in northern Italy. .On the other hand, Universities are much better here (IMO).

Said that, there is a huge difference between north and south. I was born near Milan and I will never (ever) move to the south, just too many problems and too little to work (without mentioning criminality and poor public services ).

Also..getting older and alone in Italy is tough..but I guess this is pretty much common anywhere. There are a few retirement houses but not as many as you find in Florida... anyway the plan is to move to Thailand so I really don't think about this...

giruzz

lostinrates

giruzz wrote: »

Hi,

Agreed with almost everything you say...but still..I moved to London. Jobs opportunities are *much* better here (but I just joined the active workforce)... and also...You need to learn to speak Italian if you want to work and live in Italy (unless you are working for a British/American/Swiss multinational)

Metro/Trains aren't that different from here..but they cost half (or less).

Schools have problems but you are still able to find good public schools almost anywhere in northern Italy. .On the other hand, Universities are much better here (IMO).

Said that, there is a huge difference between north and south. I was born near Milan and I will never (ever) move to the south, just too many problems and too little to work (without mentioning criminality and poor public services ).

Also..getting older and alone in Italy is tough..but I guess this is pretty much common anywhere. There are a few retirement houses but not as many as you find in Florida... anyway the plan is to move to Thailand so I really don't think about this...

giruzz

I lived, with DH, in Milan till March. I came back a little earlier, hopping betwen the two countries really, but in Milano for two years in all. Italian, to speak, is not a hard language to learn compared to many. and Italians, everywhere I travelled, made it easy for me, speaking slowly if they had accents I was not used to and just being generally enthusiastic that I tried hard, and generally forgiving me if a Spanish or French word pops out instad of an Italian one. My husband is Toscano, and he finds my Meneghina (sorry, I know that speling will be wrong ) accent funny, but I know enough to tease him about his Tuscan short straws and having learnt in Milan with patient Mneghini how lse would I speak?;) I ahve to say though, for a while, befor my Italian was more 'comfortable' my biggest problem was not lack of English spoken, but the contrary, people wanted to speak in English all the time- from Taxi drivers to the staff in Coin and Esselunga, which helped me not a jot!

I don't know the south at all. I think though, if push came to shove, partition is more real an option than many give credence to.

StevieJ

lrr wrote: »

I cant wait to emigrate although it wont be for a few years as I have to put myself through Uni first.
Reason - Hopefully better life and and better prospects for my kid. Sick of all the doom and gloom and dead end jobs in Britain, yeah it might be the same there as well but at least the weather will be better!

It probably a switch from complaining about rain to worry about skin cancer:eek:

lrr_2

StevieJ wrote: »

It probably a switch from complaining about rain to worry about skin cancer:eek:

I actually dont mind the weather its just that if im going to maybe not be working and in recession (like everyone else!) I would rather be sitting on a beach than lining the gas/electricity companies pockets giving them every penny I own just trying to keep warm!

Gorgeous_George

If those who can't wait to leave, left, I'd like to stay.

Can I pack your bags?

GG

lrr_2

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

If those who can't wait to leave, left, I'd like to stay.

Can I pack your bags?

GG

If you give me the money I need to go no probs!

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Gorgeous_George

lrr wrote: »

If you give me the money I need to go no probs!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Why doesn't that attitude surprise me?

GG

p.s. Damn. I thanked you by mistake!