Would you consider emigrating if the recession gets really bad here in the UK?

bubblesmoney

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

um, that's why I asked the question.

I'm a bit confused, why do I ask an individual a question and then have other people chiming in? Are you part fo a group or something?

i gave my answer to a situation where i saw a sensible thread go down the path of needless and pointless harsh comments on both sides of the debate. if u didnt like my answer why does that make me part of a group. can it not be a coincidence some people had similar views (or u assumed we had similar views) on this topic.

btw nice user name. and i do agree with some of ur views about not wanting to move often when having kids. how ever having myself moved many times as a kid with my parents (and without them too) , moving home and schools etc is not necessarily harmful for kids, even if they dont like it at first they deal with it wel and make new friends and still can do well at school. they get to learn more languages and also learn to adapt to different situations better hopefully. atleast we did as kids i think. u make life long friends in many places, friends with whom parents can trust enough to leave their kids with if financial circumstances mean parents working elsewhere. atleast we made close friends with neighbours and others in many places, many are closer than relatives and they feel the same too. i remember 2 family friends fighting with myparents as to both wanting to look after us for a few months when my parents had to work elsewhere. so we put stayed at home when parents went elsewhere to work and both sets of friends looked after us like their own kids. i am sure they spent more on us than they took from my parents. we preferred to stay with their friends than other family who were a few miles away and fondly look back on those days. they even used to help with homework and school projects etc.
same at another place as well where my parents used to work fultime in daytime jobs then extra privately in evenings and weekends as they came from poor backgrounds and had loads of loans that piled up when they studied. they paid off their loans by working 365 days a year for years together full time plus extra in evenings. we had wonderful neighbours again there as well who looked after us and treated us like family. we went everywhere wirh them like their own children. even to church with them and winning numerous church competetions as kids even though we arent christian, my parents didnt have problems with that neither did we or the neighbours. after all these years they are stil like family even though we moved decades ago from there.
so moving around is not necessarily harmful for kids. we moved in the middle of school years and had teachers who doted on us at the new schools as well and took extra care to help us settle in at all schools we went to.

same in the middle east where my parents worked for a while as well. staying there is not my cup of tea due to social issues but we had a good time there as wel. locals calling us home for dinner, remwmber one lady always used to insist on(:rotfl: force) feeding us by hand when we were kids. we often used to get local delicacies sent home to us by a few of them.
got lucky again now in getting great neighbours this time around as well when we bought our house in uk, sometimes when i forget to put the thrash out they take ours out without waking us!!! was embarassed but thankful all the same to get such considerate and friendly neighbours.
to cut a long story short moving is not always harmful, you could meet some wonderful new people and make more friends and see and experience new places.

Generali

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

Do you speak Spanish or have any cultural or family connection with that country. With your Canada and NZ idea, you had a shared culture and language, which makes it easier to integrate. In Spain, unless you immerce yourself in the country you will be seen as outsiders. I'd imagine it would be quite isolating, especially being away from family and friends. Have you thought this thru?

I've not gone back and read the whole thread (got a busy day today) but I think that a lot of emigrees to English speaking countries come unstuck because they expect that Australia will be like the Isle of Wight with more sun or New Zealand is really just the Brecon(sp?) Beacons with more sheep.

The language thing is important as you say however. I used to live in France and my French got pretty good but it can be pretty lonely standing at a party not understanding a word that's being said once the booze starts to flow and people start speaking more quickly and using more slang.

bubblesmoney

Generali wrote: »

I've not gone back and read the whole thread (got a busy day today) but I think that a lot of emigrees to English speaking countries come unstuck because they expect that Australia will be like the Isle of Wight with more sun or New Zealand is really just the Brecon(sp?) Beacons with more sheep.

The language thing is important as you say however. I used to live in France and my French got pretty good but it can be pretty lonely standing at a party not understanding a word that's being said once the booze starts to flow and people start speaking more quickly and using more slang.

a bit like in scotland as u move up north at parties when the alcohol flows a bit after a few rounds of scottish dancings (i dont know how to spell the word for the scottish dance). if u ran into someone from the islands up north in scotland even if u understood them when both were sober, it was hard even wondering if they were speaking english or gaelic after they had a few pints. but it was fun all the same as they were very friendly (as long as u didnt root for england in sport:o )

Generali

bubblesmoney wrote: »

(as long as u didnt root for england in sport:o )

Not rooting for England in the sport seems to be a qualification for being loved in most parts of the world. A desire to beat England on the sporting field seems to run through most cultures!

neverdespairgirl

OH immigrated to the UK when he was a child, with his parents. His father had been born and brought up in the UK, and emigrated to Israel aged 18, after the 6 Day War, in a fit of Zionist zeal. He did army service (with the paras) then got a job, married an Israeli woman (born and brought up in Tel Aviv) and then, when they were in their early 30s, moved to the UK.

lostinrates

As a child who was moved about a lot, I won't say I loved it, that would not b true, but I would say I am grateful for it. I was lucky bcause from 8 years old school became a rlative constant, and therfore England became 'home' but the skills and ducation of 'living' in differnt countries and travelling with ease, and larning how to cope in differnt cultures, se things from differnt rspectives, has been invaluable. Children are amazingly resiliant and adaptable, of course, I prsume you can, by not optimising this, train children to be th opposite too!

Despit being one who remains open to leavaing, I'd like to stick up for culture in England!!! Do we have the best access in the world to culture?, well, no we don't imo- but not so far off, but there is certainly 'culture' easily and abundantly available, often for free, more often not!, within reach of pretty much everywhere. Quite frankly, it is not hard to access and i am dumbfounded that anyone could find it so- other than cost.

neverdespairgirl

lostinrates wrote: »

Quite frankly, it is not hard to access and i am dumbfounded that anyone could find it so- other than cost.

There is an awful lot of free stuff around. In the past fortnight, we've taken Isaac to both the V & A and the Science Museum, and both are free.

Both are also full of middle class children and their parents, oddly.

lostinrates

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

There is an awful lot of free stuff around. In the past fortnight, we've taken Isaac to both the V & A and the Science Museum, and both are free.

Both are also full of middle class children and their parents, oddly.

Absolutely it exists, as I credit!, but there is more culture that is not free, for example- cheaper access to opera exists too, but £10 a ticket, while in context is fantastic (and wll used by me when I was in London), well, its still a stretch for a low income family of three or four: if saving for cultural exposure is not of priority is making use of free provision? I dunno. Incidently, I often drive over to a National trust garden locally in winter to walk my dog off road, but thats expnsive too.

lynzpower

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

There is an awful lot of free stuff around. In the past fortnight, we've taken Isaac to both the V & A and the Science Museum, and both are free.

Both are also full of middle class children and their parents, oddly.

Yes but you and I know that London is the cultural centre of the UK! :beer:

When I lived in newcastle a few years ago there was ONE museum- yes there was hadrians wall, but generally you need a car for that. likewise the coast. There is the new gateshead gallery thing. But once youve done these, theres only so much you can get out of them. OTOH I never fail to be overwhlemed by the time out london listings- so much to do so little time!

I really think it depends where you live, i wouldnt say the north east is "full of culture" which is why when I was there everyone just boozed for entertainment.

worrypants

talk and dreaming is so cheap isnt it

we were awash with folk saying to us when we moved to canada
"ohh you are so lucky" ohh wish we could do that"

well why the f%$k dont you then..... sakeing eck you only get one life what on earth is stopping you???


just chuck a couple of bags together jump on plane( sell your stuff on ebay) and off you jolly well go

we are not teenagers by the way we are to close to 50 for comfort but following a bottle of wine one sunday afternoon I announced to darling husband " I know what lets move to Canada" and guess what we did yes its that simple
we are undergoing the immigration process from within canada and we are on the last lap in record time yeeehaaa!!!
life is short live it:T