Are Work Trials compulsory

no_free_work

yes there is a idiot that didn't even read my post and then replied with pointless quotes ...how do you feel that people have to point this out to you ....thanks for pointing this out apolonation .......

no_free_work

SomeBozo wrote: »

You would only have had to do your appointed hours.



They are standard working days.



Because its a work trial?

There is always two sides to every story.

Bozo

i hope you feel comfortable in your own skin

SomeBozo

no_free_work wrote: »

i hope you feel comfortable in your own skin

I do thanks. It fits really well.

Bozo

looby75

It looks like the unions saw this coming back in August.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/business_money/union+warning+over+work+trials/2437167

This is interesting too http://www.tuc.org.uk/welfare/tuc-15253-f0.pdf

Minimum standards
The TUC has discussed this issue with Jobcentre Plus, who have assured us that a number of
safeguards have been established. Firstly, employers have to discuss the use of a Work Trial
with Jobcentre Plus, and in that discussion Jobcentre Plus confirms that:
• A genuine vacancy exists
• The vacancy is expected to last at least 13 weeks
• The proposed participant is the only person being considered
• The Trial reflects the conditions of the actual job, including duties to be performed and
hours to be worked.
During the Work Trial the JCP Personal Adviser stays in touch with the participant and the
employer. If it is found that the employer has abused a Trial, JCP will withdraw from the
agreement to operate Work Trials. Jobcentre Plus has also agreed to provide the TUC with
periodic data on the number of employers who have been cut off in this way, so that we can
monitor any trends.
Jobcentre Plus’s current internal guidance says that officers working on Work Trials must
check that the employer has an actual job vacancy and then do all they can to avoid abuse of
the Trial. The guidance points out that employer will have had to sign a Work Trial
Agreement. This is a twelve-page document that sets out the business’s obligations, including:
a. You must give the candidate the opportunity to do tasks that will give him or her
appropriate experience and prepare them for work.
b. If you do not offer the candidate a permanent position, you must tell us why if we ask for
the reason.
c. You must not employ someone to fill a vacancy a candidate is currently filling.
d.On the first day of the candidate’s Work Trial you must:
• give the candidate appropriate health and safety information and training
• introduce the candidate to the person responsible for their welfare and the work trial,
and
• tell the candidate about any arrangements you have with trade unions and make sure
that the candidate can join or stay a member of an appropriate trade union.

needawayout_2

needawayout wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, half an hour is legal for 8 hours work. I think it's 15mins every 4 hours.
You said that you have IBD, are you meaning Irritable bowel disease/syndrome? I don't know who is labeling you as disabled because having IBS certainly isn't a disability. Not nice and uncomfortable , yes but not a disability. My OH manages to work 50-60 hours a week in a very active job with this condition.
This work trial does seem a bit suss. I think you should at least be paid for the hours worked or there should be some chance of a job afterwards.

Did you miss the question I asked you here? ^^^
I don't think it's fair to call someone an "idiot", purely because they may disagree with something you posted on a public forum
Anyway, good luck with your job search

needawayout_2

looby75 wrote: »

It looks like the unions saw this coming back in August.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/business_money/union+warning+over+work+trials/2437167

This is interesting too http://www.tuc.org.uk/welfare/tuc-15253-f0.pdf

Minimum standards
The TUC has discussed this issue with Jobcentre Plus, who have assured us that a number of
safeguards have been established. Firstly, employers have to discuss the use of a Work Trial
with Jobcentre Plus, and in that discussion Jobcentre Plus confirms that:
• A genuine vacancy exists
• The vacancy is expected to last at least 13 weeks
• The proposed participant is the only person being considered
• The Trial reflects the conditions of the actual job, including duties to be performed and
hours to be worked.
During the Work Trial the JCP Personal Adviser stays in touch with the participant and the
employer. If it is found that the employer has abused a Trial, JCP will withdraw from the
agreement to operate Work Trials. Jobcentre Plus has also agreed to provide the TUC with
periodic data on the number of employers who have been cut off in this way, so that we can
monitor any trends.
Jobcentre Plus’s current internal guidance says that officers working on Work Trials must
check that the employer has an actual job vacancy and then do all they can to avoid abuse of
the Trial. The guidance points out that employer will have had to sign a Work Trial
Agreement. This is a twelve-page document that sets out the business’s obligations, including:
a. You must give the candidate the opportunity to do tasks that will give him or her
appropriate experience and prepare them for work.
b. If you do not offer the candidate a permanent position, you must tell us why if we ask for
the reason.
c. You must not employ someone to fill a vacancy a candidate is currently filling.
d.On the first day of the candidate’s Work Trial you must:
• give the candidate appropriate health and safety information and training
• introduce the candidate to the person responsible for their welfare and the work trial,
and
• tell the candidate about any arrangements you have with trade unions and make sure
that the candidate can join or stay a member of an appropriate trade union.

^^^ That sounds fair enough.

looby75

needawayout wrote: »

^^^ That sounds fair enough.

I agree it does.....if the jobcentre and the employers stick to those rules, from what the OP has said it certainly doesn't sound like tesco are.

no_free_work

needawayout wrote: »

Did you miss the question I asked you here? ^^^
I don't think it's fair to call someone an "idiot", purely because they may disagree with something you posted on a public forum
Anyway, good luck with your job search

i didn't disagree (i am not here to argue if the idiot read my post and then thought of something sensible to say ) i am making people aware of my experience of work trials i would have though this to be a positive thing to do ....so you are only letting your self down by sticking up for a idiot.........

SomeBozo

no_free_work wrote: »

i didn't disagree (i am not here to argue if the idiot read my post and then thought of something sensible to say ) i am making people aware of my experience of work trials i would have though this to be a positive thing to do ....so you are only letting your self down by sticking up for a idiot.........

Given the attitude and the name calling this person resorts to, is anyone here really surprised that he never got offered a job?! LOL

Bozo

no_free_work

Apolonation wrote: »

Why on earth would anyone agree to a 'work trial' if it simply means that they work for free. That's a disgrace, it should be illegal. I have no issue with a paid probationary period. But work for us for three weeks for free then we'll let you know if you have a job is just barmy.

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well today i quit i was told we where short staffed and would have to clean the whole superstore myself

You would only have had to do your appointed hours.
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Also the OP wasn't complaining about the hours of their shift, but the work they were expected to do in that time, I think that was clear! Unless he/she was originally told that their responsibilities would be to single handedly tidy a whole supermarket during their shift... I'm sure they are quite right to complain!

thats why i called you a idiot SOMEBOZO