NI Presbyterian mutual society, Short of funds for withdrawal?

BETRAYED

The Church of Scotland big controversy at their Assembly this week is the appointment of a gay minister. Aren't they lucky.

crazymess

BBC are doing another programme - if any of you want to know about it please PM me - perhaps we should all go onto it now - and ask the direct questions to Stormont, PCI and PMS Directors - maybe those people would be forced to answer us directly and honestly instead of all this pushing responsibility.


Excellent points Betrayed in your previous posts.

freddiemae

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Cameron-urges-Brown-on-PMS.5297086.jp


Cameron urges Brown on PMS.

freddiemae

crazymess wrote: »

BBC are doing another programme - if any of you want to know about it please PM me - perhaps we should all go onto it now - and ask the direct questions to Stormont, PCI and PMS Directors - maybe those people would be forced to answer us directly and honestly instead of all this pushing responsibility.


Excellent points Betrayed in your previous posts.

This is your big chance to use the evidence gathered on this thread to prove the links and shame the guilty.

Nomad25

This is your big chance to use the evidence gathered on this thread to prove the links and shame the guilty.

Please people I urge you to do what you can, like Freddiemae I have no vested interest in this matter.

My only interest is a deep sense of outrage and silent [if making a noise would help I will] support for you all.

Grab every opportunity you can to rattle some cages and milk it dry! Oops mixing my metaphors there.

Ballygal

I have written today to Dr Watts and thought i would share my letter with my PMS forum friends.

Dear Dr Watts,
I write as you prepare for the PCI General Assembly next week.
To say I am disappointed and annoyed at the way the PCI have treated the PMS situation in the planned Assembly programme is an understatement.
I am absolutely livid that you should limit the topic to a short report on Tuesday afternoon as to how the church has dealt with this debacle over the past 6 months. It appears to me that you are attempting to stifle debate on what you can and should do as you face the next year.
The PCI has always said that the CHURCH is not the buildings but the PEOPLE. Now you have an Assembly of those people without any appropriate time allocated to discussing what you as a Church should and can be doing to help your PMS savers. This is a absolute disgrace for a Church who has programmed a Presbyterian Talk entitled ‘A Healthy Church, A Caring Community’ a few hours after the PMS report.
This is an affront to all those PCI members who gave you their hard earned money.(YES I mean YOU!! You may protest all you like, pretending the PMS has nothing to do with you, but they are your responsibility! THEY are YOUR members!) Those people, who thought they were helping their church by giving their money to the PMS, are now all in a dreadful situation. Where is your care to them, Dr Watts???

I will just say that 2 passages of Scripture come to mind when I think of the PCI at the moment.
One is the Parable of the Good Samaritan. In relation to the PMS members of your church, I feel you up at Church House are trying to stay on the other side of the road!!

And I would ask you to think of Peter and his denial of Christ as you deny any appropriate support to the PMS savers.

You are the church where my family for generations have worshipped. My grandparents, parents, most family relatives, and the majority of my friends and associates have given YOU their allegiance, time and money over many past decades but now you fail THEM in the most despicable way.
I reckon the Presbyterian Church of Ireland will rue this year of 2009 as being the year which signalled its downfall. I think the church will live to regret it’s attitude, it’s statements, and it’s actions in the year 2009, in the years to come.
If you think PCI’s numbers have declined over recent years, just wait and see what the next few years bring. It’s not a revival that is needed Dr Watts but some Christianity! Like the public are now demanding accountability of their UK government leaders, so we PMS members deserve and should have Christian attitudes and actions from out Church hierarchy, not just lip service to ‘Caring’.

Since November all we have heard from Church House is that you cannot act or make decisions unless it has been agreed by the whole body of the Church which is NOW AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY! But i see you have organised it so there not enough time allocated to make decisions for the future regarding the PMS situation.
Even at this late stage I urge you most sincerely and prayerfully to consider discussing the PMS situation properly at this assembly.

fivealive_2

Ballygal wrote: »

I have written today to Dr Watts and thought i would share my letter with my PMS forum friends.

Dear Dr Watts,
I write as you prepare for the PCI General Assembly next week.
To say I am disappointed and annoyed at the way the PCI have treated the PMS situation in the planned Assembly programme is an understatement.
I am absolutely livid that you should limit the topic to a short report on Tuesday afternoon as to how the church has dealt with this debacle over the past 6 months. It appears to me that you are attempting to stifle debate on what you can and should do as you face the next year.
The PCI has always said that the CHURCH is not the buildings but the PEOPLE. Now you have an Assembly of those people without any appropriate time allocated to discussing what you as a Church should and can be doing to help your PMS savers. This is a absolute disgrace for a Church who has programmed a Presbyterian Talk entitled ‘A Healthy Church, A Caring Community’ a few hours after the PMS report.
This is an affront to all those PCI members who gave you their hard earned money.(YES I mean YOU!! You may protest all you like, pretending the PMS has nothing to do with you, but they are your responsibility! THEY are YOUR members!) Those people, who thought they were helping their church by giving their money to the PMS, are now all in a dreadful situation. Where is your care to them, Dr Watts???

I will just say that 2 passages of Scripture come to mind when I think of the PCI at the moment.
One is the Parable of the Good Samaritan. In relation to the PMS members of your church, I feel you up at Church House are trying to stay on the other side of the road!!

And I would ask you to think of Peter and his denial of Christ as you deny any appropriate support to the PMS savers.

You are the church where my family for generations have worshipped. My grandparents, parents, most family relatives, and the majority of my friends and associates have given YOU their allegiance, time and money over many past decades but now you fail THEM in the most despicable way.
I reckon the Presbyterian Church of Ireland will rue this year of 2009 as being the year which signalled its downfall. I think the church will live to regret it’s attitude, it’s statements, and it’s actions in the year 2009, in the years to come.
If you think PCI’s numbers have declined over recent years, just wait and see what the next few years bring. It’s not a revival that is needed Dr Watts but some Christianity! Like the public are now demanding accountability of their UK government leaders, so we PMS members deserve and should have Christian attitudes and actions from out Church hierarchy, not just lip service to ‘Caring’.

Since November all we have heard from Church House is that you cannot act or make decisions unless it has been agreed by the whole body of the Church which is NOW AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY! But i see you have organised it so there not enough time allocated to make decisions for the future regarding the PMS situation.
Even at this late stage I urge you most sincerely and prayerfully to consider discussing the PMS situation properly at this assembly.

Ballygal, that is a superb letter, written from the heart, straight and to the point. I hope and pray that this letter has the desired effect.

:T:T:T:T:T:T:T:T:T

brick

freddiemae wrote: »

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Cameron-urges-Brown-on-PMS.5297086.jp

Well, if this is still rumbling on in a year's time, we will potentially be able to take Mr Cameron up on his offer:-

"I can say if I was the Prime Minister I would have a really good look as to whether we are treating these people fairly.
I think they do have a case to say 'Hold on a second, this is a UK organisation, guarantees should be extended to it."

amadan22

he says he'd "have a really good look". so what? "i THINK they do have a case". thinking hasn't got much done! carefully worded to be totally non commital. the guy's another b.s.er.

freddiemae

The PCI would do well to see what happens in a church split as has happened in Scotland. Congregations refuse to pay up to central office.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6355421.ece