Rip Off Ryanair. Please Help Me!

Cumbrian_Male

Backbiter wrote: »

A 10 minute bus ride cost one of them 400 times more than a 20p return flight? That would be £80 return. Blimey.

£8 return

20p divided by 10 people travelling is 2p return per person.

ynot2005

let me have the last word please

it not a rip off ok!....err well maybe a little bit of a rip off, i think , well possibly.

let me give it some thought and i will come back to you all

Pollycat

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Originally Posted by Pollycat
*Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn*

Oh dear, did I say that out loud?

Yes you did, which makes you and the previous poster weak and feeble. Your condescending reply offered nothing to this thread and was surely a way of massaging your ego - It failed miserably and made you look to be someone who cannot argue a point.

Sturll
No, not weak and feeble, just bored with people who can't use the 'search' facility.
No, not weak and feeble, just bored with reading the same repetitive pros & cons about RyanAir credit/debit card charges.

My reply offered nothing to this thread?
Really?
And you think that you spouting the same old argument does?

I've read everybody's thoughts on this issue since I joined this site.
The point I made (which ovbiously went over your head) was that instead of everybody trotting out their viewpoint for the nth time in a week, why not have a standard response that says 'Yeah, we hear what you're saying, here's what everybody has said already on the subject'.

Rather than having a debate on whether these charges are a rip-off or not, why not address THIS question that the OP asked:

Does anyone know if this is legal?

Maybe you would like to go head-to-head with Michael O'Leary through the courts on this issue?
Then, should you win, we'll ALL be paying more for flights as Ryanan recoup money through different means.

jamescredmond

now that ryanair have posted losses - mainly due to hedging their fuel at too high a price - expect to see price hikes at every interface, as o'leary scrambles to shore up his balance sheet.

£4 per sector could easily become £7. a charge for cabin luggage is possible.

and when he finally gets around to advertising compliance, clearer price comparisons on shared routes will put him under increased pressure.

bmibaby, flybe, easyjet, etc. must be gloating.

sturll

Pollycat wrote: »

Maybe you would like to go head-to-head with Michael O'Leary through the courts on this issue?
Then, should you win, we'll ALL be paying more for flights as Ryanan recoup money through different means.

No, i am fine. Ill continue not to fly Ryanair and not have the trouble of non transparent pricing policies. Since you think it is fine for Ryanair to recoup their costs through indirect means and abuse of position then carry on.

Its just a good job people like you weren't involved in bringing the banks to justice over their charges - since you no doubt agreed they had to recoup their costs from somewhere.

Pollycat

Ill continue not to fly Ryanair and not have the trouble of non transparent pricing policies.

OK, so by 'non-transparent pricing' are you saying that ALL other airlines include the cost of paying by debit/credit card in their advertised prices?

No, of course they don't.
And neither do RyanAir because if you pay by Electron card YOU'RE NOT CHARGED A FEE!!!
So the price they advertise at (asuming you're checking on-line and not putting luggage in the hold) is the price you pay.
How much more transparent do you want it to be, for heaven's sake?

Since you think it is fine for Ryanair to recoup their costs through indirect means and abuse of position then carry on.

I ensure it doesn't cost me to pay for tickets with Ryanair, and, even if I were charged to pay by credit/debit card, at least I have the common sense to view the TOTAL price I'm charged and then make a judgement as to whether it's a good deal or not. Nobody is forced to travel with RyanAir.

Its just a good job people like you weren't involved in bringing the banks to justice over their charges - since you no doubt agreed they had to recoup their costs from somewhere.

No, I wasn't involved in this - I've never paid bank charges in my life, so I had no view on it at all.

Unlike you:

Ill continue not to fly Ryanair

I don't get all steamed up about something that doesn't affect me.

sturll

Pollycat wrote: »

OK, so by 'non-transparent pricing' are you saying that ALL other airlines include the cost of paying by debit/credit card in their advertised prices?

No, of course they don't.
And neither do RyanAir because if you pay by Electron card YOU'RE NOT CHARGED A FEE!!!
So the price they advertise at (asuming you're checking on-line and not putting luggage in the hold) is the price you pay.
How much more transparent do you want it to be, for heaven's sake?


I ensure it doesn't cost me to pay for tickets with Ryanair, and, even if I were charged to pay by credit/debit card, at least I have the common sense to view the TOTAL price I'm charged and then make a judgement as to whether it's a good deal or not. Nobody is forced to travel with RyanAir.


No, I wasn't involved in this - I've never paid bank charges in my life, so I had no view on it at all.

Unlike you:

I don't get all steamed up about something that doesn't affect me.

All that writing, all that frustration vented over nothing. When i said transparent pricing i was referring to paying a cost which relates directly to the product. i.e rather than adding extras onto the cost of a ticket to recoup costs. I doubt you'll understand since your judgment is clouded by your excitement that users who have Electron cards don't pay a fee.

ynot2005

jamescredmond wrote: »

now that ryanair have posted losses - mainly due to hedging their fuel at too high a price - expect to see price hikes at every interface, as o'leary scrambles to shore up his balance sheet.

£4 per sector could easily become £7. a charge for cabin luggage is possible.

and when he finally gets around to advertising compliance, clearer price comparisons on shared routes will put him under increased pressure.

bmibaby, flybe, easyjet, etc. must be gloating.

ryanair have published a 47% drop in profits james, thats not posting losses is it?

and ryanair are on the right side of the fuel hedging game now and will benefit as other airlines hedged at higher prices and the oil price has dropped.

the pressure will be on other airlines as o leary goes for the jugular and drops prices to kill of the competition, i thought you understood ryanairs business model james ?, mind you your " i have learnt to accept it" statement always bring a smile to my face

i agree with what you say pollycat, why get steamed up about something that dosent affect you, mind you when the time comes when a real choice between ryanair and other airlines appears, the moaners will snatch the cheap deal with ryanair becasue there is very little sense in not doing so

budgetflyer

Yes, I wouldn't mind even 0.1% of their "losses". I could live in the standard I deserve for the rest of my life.:cool:
To actually make any form of profit when all around are going bust, to continue to expand creating jobs all over Europe- they flew 58 million passengers in the last 12 months !- is a pretty incredible achievement in this economic climate.:j
I treat flying with Ryanair like going on a "bus with wings"
Me and the missus dont actually care if we are sitting apart for the maximum 2+half hours we are flying- it actually adds a bit of spice when we get to the hotel. Absence really does make the heart grow fonder;).

As for "rip off" hidden charges, have you ever looked at mortgage products ? Half a dozen different rates from the same lender, all with different set up fees.Surely theres the same admin involved, setting up any of their products . Is that a rip off ? Not in my opinion- you do the maths, find out whats best- the lowest % may not be the best deal, taking into account the initial set up fee You then "choose"
A fool jumping in without thought or research, deserves what they get. Yes , Ive been a fool a few times myself, you kick your self, learn from it, move on, all the wiser:o

I really hate that phrase -"shouldn't be allowed"
In the perfect free market , a business should be able to charge what it wants for a product or service, provided there are no quota restrictions or cartel agreements.
Consumers will then dictate the price by either buying or not buying the product.

If Ryanair were to no longer provide value for money. then people wont fly with them, it really is that simple

jamescredmond

ynot2005 wrote: »

ryanair have published a 47% drop in profits james, thats not posting losses is it?

and ryanair are on the right side of the fuel hedging game now and will benefit as other airlines hedged at higher prices and the oil price has dropped.

the pressure will be on other airlines as o leary goes for the jugular and drops prices to kill of the competition, i thought you understood ryanairs business model james ?, mind you your " i have learnt to accept it" statement always bring a smile to my face

i agree with what you say pollycat, why get steamed up about something that dosent affect you, mind you when the time comes when a real choice between ryanair and other airlines appears, the moaners will snatch the cheap deal with ryanair becasue there is very little sense in not doing so

'I have learnt to accept it' doesn't equate to 'that's ok then'. comprendez?

47% down, y on y is what I determine a 'loss'. I guess o'leary does as well.

25% hedged at $79 for '09/10 when o'leary is calling $50 a possibility and trading has allready fallen below this figure (source: independent nov.4.).

if o'leary is right in saying that the only kids on the block in future will be lufthansa, air france and ryanair, real competition will cease and you can kiss the butt of your £1 ticket goodbye.

your a***licking tendancies towards o'leary are laughable.

now p*** off to stansted and erect a statue to o'leary, which we can all 'worship'.