How can my brother avoid the sack ??

DGJsaver

Pssst wrote: »

In these troubled times,if you want to keep your job you have to do it to the best of your ability and try to make yourself indispensable. It looks like your bro has a slightly different attitude and maybe the company are thinning out their staff so he walked right into it? I suspect they would be wary of making him redundant as this has other implications for them and indeed,why should they?

Thanks for that....

Conor_3

DGJsaver wrote: »

As you are also aware a full investigation process was undertake last year at this time formal action short of dismisal was taken .Whilst there has been no subsequent disciplinary action it is entirely reasonable that the company should remain mindful of that fact that similar complaints are again raised

He's screwed. He's had warnings and a disciplinary for it before so it's not a new problem. He's continued to do the same things that he was disciplined for last time. I doubt that he's going to keep his job this time.

custardy

i would tell him to go in and be prepared to accept any proposals given
keep his head and to an extent say what they want to hear
apologise,show remorse,explain he has seen the error of whatever act,explain any extenuating circumstaces
eg i get customer complaints about me at work however these are same type who think they can scream abuse at me with no worrys of a return volley

at the end of the day he kows whatsa gone on and to what extent he is in the wrong

RabbitMad

isn't there a proper timescale for calling the hearing. Next Tuesday seems a bit soom (3 working days)

Liz_the_Whizz

just a quick thing on who accompanies him....

When you say "external" manager, is that someone within the company but outside his department? As the letter to him says "colleague", it cannot be someone external to the company.

This is quite usual to avoid someone bringing along a lawyer, family member etc, which complicates things;) .

bestpud

He obviously knows he is in the wrong here as he wouldn't be thinking about resigning otherwise! He has no chance of getting redundancy, surely?

As said, now is not the time to be messing about in the workplace.

I'm with custardy on this - tell him to grovel if need be (not literally, but you know what I mean) and if, by some amazing stroke of luck, he keeps his job then he needs to bite his tongue!

Has he been told about the customer, and colleague, complaints they mention (I'd have thought he should have been told)? I know he had the warning in 2007, but have they been monitoring the complaints, or brought it up in appraisals?

In what context did he say he wasn't happy?

CFC

He will be extremely lucky to keep his job, quite honestly. A suspension is a mark of the seriousness with which the company takes the situation, and an indicator that the most likely outcome (if one is given) will be dismissal.

He is entitled to be accompanied either by a union representative or a colleague (same employer). He is not entitled to be accompanied by anyone else.

The company will take into account the fact that they issued a written warning last time, to indicate the seriousness with which they viewed the offence, and he seems to have done the same thing again. Their biggest concern is that they have here someone who doesn't appear to have learned from the time he escaped sacking by the skin of his teeth.

If I was the employer, being asked to make a person redundant in this situation would just make me laugh my socks off. Why on earth would I want to pay out on redundancy for someone I'm considering firing?

If he resigns before the meeting, his references may well show that he resigned prior to a disciplinary meeting, which tells its own story.

I think that along with grovelling, your brother would have to show extenuating circumstances, and also provide evidence of how he has changed his behaviour at work since his written warning, to demonstrate that he CAN change his behaviour.

Of course, he may be one of the many who cannot

SomeBozo

That letter he received is a well written letter. Its makes a string of accusations, but if you read it carefully you will note that rach accusation is backed up with evidence.

I think he will loose his job at the meeting. The current climate in which your brother worked is not the type where you can be anything but indespensable.

I would suggest he gets straight to the benfits board.

Bozo

Incisor

SomeBozo wrote: »

That letter he received is a well written letter. Its makes a string of accusations, but if you read it carefully you will note that rach accusation is backed up with evidence. ...

Being pedantic, the accusations are backed by claims of evidence rather than by evidence itself.

I think that opens up the possibility of requesting the evidence itself and time to consider it before the hearing. The letter makes reference to an earlier investigatory process for previous accustions, but it is not clear whether there has been such a process in respect of the latest accusations - if this has not taken place, and the OP's brother has not been involved, it looks to me as though there is a base for arguing that the hearing is prejudiced.

However, the writing is clearly on the wall and if the worst does not happen this time, it is only a matter of time. The OP's brother clearly needs to consider whether he can survive in that environment and also reflect on whether there would be other roles anywhere away from that company to which he may be more suited.

ray123

After a brief read, it seems that the odds are truly against him!
I would like to wish him all the best in the outcome.
If your brother is entitled to sick pay, he could try to go off work for stress?
Tell him to try and milk the system for all its worth...