Asked for Dental NHS Scale and Polish.Told "Go to Hygienist at £25 extra"

boozercruiser

brook2jack wrote: »

Quite a few inaccuracies but actually fairly balanced.

Fair enough.:D

jugglebug

boozercruiser wrote: »

Juggleboog "Oh and Booze, I am the one with the good fortune to be married to a hygienist, but I also have a welsh accent so I can understand the confusion between me and welshdent."

I wasn't confusing you with Welshdent M8....I just couldn't remember exactly who had proudly announced that they had the good fortune to be married to a Hygienist. Nice one.

That must be lovely and very profitable for you both! LOL.....Still, I am being very serious when I say that you deserve any rewards there are in Dentistry after all you went through regarding your education and training etc. Believe it or not...I do actually feel very honoured that actual live Dentists are taking the time to bother responding to this now long and probably at times rather annoying thread.

Best Regards to you and the Missus

Boozercruiser.

I am very happy for you and I am sure of course that you are not part of what I am ranting about.

Lovely and profitable.. I wish
Lovely Yes.
Profitable not so much. We no longer work together since the practice we worked in went bust
Now she works in a number of different practices a day here and there and her hours are being steadily cut but that is the nature of the economy we are in.
Still we spent a nice few days together at the BDA conference where she spent a fair few quid on new instruments while my Lad hid from the Denplan Ninjas.
Hopefully one day things will turn around where we can work together again.

Quick edit. Just like to point out the reason the practice went bust was due to mismanagement by the owners. Not because of us :-)
The group that owned it had a disagreement with the taxman. He felt they should pay Tax. They felt that they didn't.

boozercruiser

jugglebug wrote: »

Lovely and profitable.. I wish
Lovely Yes.
Profitable not so much. We no longer work together since the practice we worked in went bust
Now she works in a number of different practices a day here and there and her hours are being steadily cut but that is the nature of the economy we are in.
Still we spent a nice few days together at the BDA conference where she spent a fair few quid on new instruments while my Lad hid from the Denplan Ninjas.
Hopefully one day things will turn around where we can work together again.

Quick edit. Just like to point out the reason the practice went bust was due to mismanagement by the owners. Not because of us :-)
The group that owned it had a disagreement with the taxman. He felt they should pay Tax. They felt that they didn't.

Thank you for that very interesting bit of personal information jugglebug.

You sound a very nice family man and I also hope that you and your Wife can work together again some time in the future.

Private practice though I guess.:)

Pennylane

brook2jack wrote: »

That is precisely what I said. Some dentists have a natural empathy for children ,some dentists are excellent at making full dentures, some are excellent teachers. All should be polite , but being polite and having a natural connection to children so you can get them to trust you to do things which they may be very scared or apprehensive about are two different things. You may be the best dentist in the world and mum and dad or carer may love you but if you can't connect with the child you are useless as a childrens dentist.

Dentistry is a very personal thing. One dentists "style" may suit you and anothers may not. With children there are many dentists who specialise in paediatric dentistry and many who specialise in treating eg nervous children . One of those routes is the community service which is available in every part of the country and often is first port of call when carers need NHS dentistry for children in their care. I am sure your friend the foster carer is aware of this service because most social services will refer carers to this service.

I presume there is some choice about where your friend can take the children because otherwise surely they wouldn't contemplate leaving them with decay and holes and they are not going back to that dentist?

What a load of twaddle!:( My friend needed to get the girls seen asap. AFAIK she was not given any info from Social Services. Like I said, bearing in mind all the driving around she has to do for their school runs and not wanting them to miss any school, she chose a dentist she could get to which would satisfy all these needs.

Do you honestly think if she asked any surgery whether their dentist was "good with children" they would say "well no actually he hates working on kids."

With any qualified profession, you expect a certain standard and I would have done just the same in her place. Surely dentists are taught about working with different age groups/special need requirements etc.

She has now decided to take them to her own dentist but that's 40 miles away (she stayed with them after she moved) and will mean she has to take them out of school for at least half a day each visit, which is not ideal.

Pennylane

boozercruiser wrote: »

After part 1 of channal 4 prog.:mad:

After part 2 of prog. Mad as above!

End of prog. As above!

I am suprised that the Scale and Polish rip off wasn't hardly mentioned. Though the theme of the program applied to it though.

They mentioned the Scale & Polish rip-off in the first 5 minutes. Saying it came within the NHS Band 1 treatment.

Pennylane

I thought a very interesting remark was made by one of the more mature (shall we say) and highly experienced dentists who looked at the video footage and gave their comments.

He said that NHS dentists are picking and choosing what they want to do and this is wrong. Their were also a few instances where he said certain things they told patients were in breach of their contracts.

His face when he saw what the youngish female dentist told her patients. Mind you she did decline to comment afterwards.;)

brook2jack

Do you honestly think if she asked any surgery whether their dentist was "good with children" they would say "well no actually he hates working on kids."

With any qualified profession, you expect a certain standard and I would have done just the same in her place. Surely dentists are taught about working with different age groups/special need requirements etc.

She has now decided to take them to her own dentist but that's 40 miles away (she stayed with them after she moved) and will mean she has to take them out of school for at least half a day each visit, which is not ideal.[/QUOTE]


Actually in most practices if someone comes in and says that they are say very nervous , or needs someone good with children or someone good at cosmetic dentistry the receptionist will have a good idea of which of those dentists in the practice is particularly suitable for that person.

At my own practice each of us may see different members of a family because one of us specialises in kids, nervous patients another in advanced restorative dentistry and another is good at dealing with the problems of the elderly.

That is why there are specialities in dentistry because different dentists have different strengths.

Persuading a four year old whose parents are very nervous patients themselves to have an injection to have a tooth out requires exceptional communication and empathy skills . The dentist who can manage this may not be the same person who can plan the full mouth rehabilitation of a bulimic twenty year old.

brook2jack

Oh and dentists are taught about working with children and people with special needs. Those who are good at it go onto further study and become qualified specialists after many years further qualification. But even general dentists develop interests and study things they are particularly interested in. Some employ therapists to treat children recognising a therapist may be better at treating children than they are. In the community service much of childrens treatment is done by dental therapists.

Ultimately your friend did exactly the right thing, she took the children to a dentist who had been recommended, her own.... A dentist she rates highly enough to travel to see.

welshdent

Treating kids can either be a flippin night mare or an absolute joy. Not really sure if I am any good or not! Most seem to like me

I hung around the den plan ninjas mostly because I fancied one of the girls on the stand :-) .. Does that make me bad?

Disappointed at the lack of freebies! Ingot my squeeze ninja and some obligatory colgate products.

On to dispatches
Scalings are not to prevent decay.

One price is not all you pay. You only pay one price per course of treatment and as long as you treat what needs to be treated at that stage to remove disease you CAN split courses - by that I mean it must be for health gain purposes not financial. A prime example is a root filling as a band 2 stabilise the tooth and then a crown later as band 3. Quite permissible.

The first chap offered a hospital referral for the root filling when pushed and no matter what the other guy says, I wouldn't want him doing a root filling on me if he was that unhappy to do it. He has probably de skilled by now. I would gladly take the guy with msc over him!

boozercruiser

welshdent wrote: »

Treating kids can either be a flippin night mare or an absolute joy. Not really sure if I am any good or not! Most seem to like me

I hung around the den plan ninjas mostly because I fancied one of the girls on the stand :-) .. Does that make me bad?

Disappointed at the lack of freebies! Ingot my squeeze ninja and some obligatory colgate products.

On to dispatches
Scalings are not to prevent decay.

One price is not all you pay. You only pay one price per course of treatment and as long as you treat what needs to be treated at that stage to remove disease you CAN split courses - by that I mean it must be for health gain purposes not financial. A prime example is a root filling as a band 2 stabilise the tooth and then a crown later as band 3. Quite permissible.

The first chap offered a hospital referral for the root filling when pushed and no matter what the other guy says, I wouldn't want him doing a root filling on me if he was that unhappy to do it. He has probably de skilled by now. I would gladly take the guy with msc over him!

I can tell you now.....If I where a Dentist I would NOT want to work on the current crop of mostly (it looks to me) undiciplined sprogs. God...that must be a nightmare.:eek: God.I can try and imagine what it must be like to want to say but cannot to an unruly Sprog "Now open your mouth wide for me so I can see what all that bad eating, sweets and poor Dental Hygiene has done to your nashers!.............. I would sooner have my nuts roasted over a blow lamp!

But I accept that I am now just probably an old fart Victor Meldrew type in my old age!:D

Regarding the program...I now know what cross selling is (as opposed to cross dressing! and Gaming and veneers.

Blimey...Veneers? are these really properly used in Dentistry? They seem a very bad choice to me in any event. Particularly if used to cover up teeth/gum problems. I felt sorry for the guy featured.:(