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Asked for Dental NHS Scale and Polish.Told "Go to Hygienist at £25 extra"

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  • boozercruiser
    boozercruiser Posts: 763 Forumite
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    welshdent wrote: »
    booze approx 132 patients have attended at my practice in the last 2 days to this point and not one has mentioned the programme. I must admit I was expecting people to ask but so far there nothing.

    Actually private dentists HAVE suggested NHS treatment but usually people we refer to for opinions etc. Why would another private practitioner advise their own patients to seek an NHS service? IF the patients wanted it they would have found it themselves. Most private practitioners have gone private because they can not deliver the standard of care they would wish to and as such believe they have a superior set of treatment options. A patient is quite at liberty to seek alternatives. No one ties them down and forces it on them. I wouldnt have NHS treatment in general practice and I provide it

    Welshdent....I was actually meaning to refer to the Private Dentist who has a referral from an NHS Dentist...but then, perhaps that is the very same person?

    I would of course appreciate a correction if I am wrong there.

    Am off out for the evening now for some food and a drink.

    See ya later M8.:D
    You've heard the budget speech now you've been told. Make lots of cash then die before you're old 'Cause we're gonna Tax Gran that's what it is We're gonna Tax Gran freeze her allowances. You better hope next winter isn't cold. We're gonna Tax Gran, we're glad she's there.To subsidize the Billionaires. We're gonna Tax Gran and this is wrong!
  • welshdent
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    I did mean that aswell actually :)

    I have referred patients privately for treatment and they have been advised to come back to me. Its not so much a "go back to your own dentist they are cheaper" but "these are your options for treatment"

    There IS a difference in private and NHS options though no matter what the dept of health try and pretend.
  • Pennylane
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    welshdent wrote: »
    Treating nervous patients can indeed be extremely stressful. Not least because usually they are hypersensitive to all things so you have to be conscious that the slightest innocuous slip with a hand piece could have them running out of the door where someone else probably wouldnt even notice.
    as for kids, depends on the kid!

    personally I long for the day I can just look down my microscope and do the stuff I like (not JUST endo ;) ) rather than the stuff I hate like making dentures and doing extractions.
    Oddly I dont mind perio so much as motivated patients do respond really well so thats nice to see.,

    Why has this gone on to nervous patients? I am talking about kids who hadn't been near a dentist for years and refused to go when my friend (the foster carer) knew they needed to.

    Once she had persuaded/encouraged/bribed them to go they weren't nervous and were no problem at all. The problem was the dentist who behaved in a very arrogant way and did nothing to make their first visit for years more pleasant.
  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    Pennylane , children of that age who haven't been to a dentist and need treatment are not a blank page. They will have been indoctrinated for years by perhaps their parents ,certainly by media , friends etc that going to do the dentist is a painful,uncomfortable and fearful thing to do. Why else do you think they initially refused check ups?

    If they were so reluctant to have a check up do you think they are not going to be reluctant to have treatment? They will and this time no matter what the skills of your friend the foster carer , it's the relationship between dentist and child that is going to determine whether that child consents to treatment.

    You talk about treatment of children having nothing to do with nervous patients, it is doubly so because you deal with the nerves of the child but also the nerves of whoever reinforces that nervousness (the "friend" at school, the relative who "hates" the dentist etc) and for children of the age you describe you have years of not being seen by a dentist to overcome.
  • Pennylane
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    brook2jack wrote: »
    Pennylane , children of that age who haven't been to a dentist and need treatment are not a blank page. They will have been indoctrinated for years by perhaps their parents ,certainly by media , friends etc that going to do the dentist is a painful,uncomfortable and fearful thing to do. Why else do you think they initially refused check ups?

    If they were so reluctant to have a check up do you think they are not going to be reluctant to have treatment? They will and this time no matter what the skills of your friend the foster carer , it's the relationship between dentist and child that is going to determine whether that child consents to treatment.

    You talk about treatment of children having nothing to do with nervous patients, it is doubly so because you deal with the nerves of the child but also the nerves of whoever reinforces that nervousness (the "friend" at school, the relative who "hates" the dentist etc) and for children of the age you describe you have years of not being seen by a dentist to overcome.

    They refused to visit the dentist just as they they refused to go to school at first, they refused to eat, they refused to come out of their bedrooms etc etc because they'd just been put into care not because they were nervous of dentists.

    You are making out there was some deep-rooted fear of dentists instilled in them - Trust me, dentists were not on the list of priorities in their house.;)
  • brook2jack
    brook2jack Posts: 4,563 Forumite
    edited 25 May 2011 at 11:23PM
    No dentists are not a priority in 50% of the British public who don't attend.

    However in the UK you would have to live in a hole not to have heard people talking about the dentist, or seen things on tv etc and in the majority of cases that talk is very negative. Children absorb alot and without a positive spin will naturally be nervous unless introduced early and regularly to dentistry.

    Add to that you are working in one of the most sensitive parts of the body and actually inside someones body. Add onto that that children and adults who are neglected /mentally or physically abused will take a great amount of care to trust someone to do something in a psycologically very intimate part of the body and you start to see a tiny part of some of the problems encountered treating children.

    In our practice we have ,sadly, a very significant number of children whose mum requests they are treated by a female because the children have trust issues with men .
  • suki1964
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    Pennylane wrote: »
    Do they pay their National Insurance?

    There are thousands and thousands of people who have visited their dentist regularly all their lives. (Despite your example of only going once in 20 years).

    They pay their National Insurance and they take care to look after their teeth. All we ask is to be treated in a courteous and professional manner, to have things explained to us and to come away feeling more comfortable than when we went in. We don't mind paying NHS charges (which can run into the hundreds) but we don't like being ripped off.

    Sorry you're feeling low but it's the same in most jobs these days. At least you have someone to clean your workplace, someone to answer your phone calls and type your letters etc. You probably work nice sociable hours and don't get people ringing you at home in the evening and weekends. Could be a lot worse!


    What has paying NI got to do with getting dental and medical care???

    I and no doubt many thousands (100's of thousands) do not pay Ni as we dont earn enough. Yet we get NHS treatment



    Did you know one weeks admission to an intensive care unit with perhaps a heart bypass and follow ups and and associated treatments would wipe out you entire life NI contributions??


    I get sick and tired of hearing " I pay my NI, I'm entitled"

    You are entitled to nothing in this world unless you work for it and pay for it. You believe govt claims then perhaps you need to go get yourself an education in economics . There is no way on this earth that what we pay in NI contributions in our lifetime will cover our health and dental treatment and our old age pensions

    Rant over

    Disclaimer:- I am not a dentist, nor hygienist, sees both, one NHS , one private. And guess who I blame for my gum disease??:D
  • boozercruiser
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    edited 26 May 2011 at 4:00PM
    brook2jack wrote: »
    No dentists are not a priority in 50% of the British public who don't attend.

    However in the UK you would have to live in a hole not to have heard people talking about the dentist, or seen things on tv etc and in the majority of cases that talk is very negative. Children absorb alot and without a positive spin will naturally be nervous unless introduced early and regularly to dentistry.

    Add to that you are working in one of the most sensitive parts of the body and actually inside someones body. Add onto that that children and adults who are neglected /mentally or physically abused will take a great amount of care to trust someone to do something in a psycologically very intimate part of the body and you start to see a tiny part of some of the problems encountered treating children.

    In our practice we have ,sadly, a very significant number of children whose mum requests they are treated by a female because the children have trust issues with men .

    Quite apart from any beefs about NHS treatment in particular, but possible Private as well, there is obviously a LOT more than meets the eye of the patient to actually being a Dentist.

    Just the considerations you mention here Brook2Jack would deter most people from the Profession.

    The vast majority of people would run a mile from doing your job, and with education as it is now, would not have the brains or the guts to do it anyway!

    Respect to all in spite of anything I may have said in one or two posts here.:)
    You've heard the budget speech now you've been told. Make lots of cash then die before you're old 'Cause we're gonna Tax Gran that's what it is We're gonna Tax Gran freeze her allowances. You better hope next winter isn't cold. We're gonna Tax Gran, we're glad she's there.To subsidize the Billionaires. We're gonna Tax Gran and this is wrong!
  • lisawood78
    lisawood78 Posts: 3,884 Forumite
    colwyn, what is it with you?!
    You've posted that nonsense on multiple threads many times today, any reason or are you just looking for attention?
    2 angels in heaven :A
  • pingua
    pingua Posts: 1,671 Forumite
    O.K I have to go see the hygienst tomorrow as I have gum disease - exactly what I do not know. So do I PAY FOR THIS OR SHOULD IT BE UNDER THE NHS?oops sorry for shouting. I have asked before about this but get told they do not have an NHS hygienst at the surgery. Am I being fobbed off??
    They give hubbie - as in the dentist does a scale and polish on him each time but I always get sent to the hygienst and have to pay again for that?
    Bit confused now.
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