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Thoroughly Unpleasant Place
RayWolfe
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What a really nasty place this has become! Full of unpleasant Daily Mail types.
It has become totally about me, then me, followed by me.
On the face of it, the Government and others are trying to do their best in a set of thoroughly difficult circumstances, particularly about Icelandic Banks and the usual crowd of Central Office apologists (although you'll note, not Central Office itself) have come here with there usual clever comments about how they know better and how stupid everyone else is. You are probably too young to remember that Governments of different stripes have also run into problems. Even some that they didn't cause.
The whole place has changed it's ethos from trying to help to happy to moan. Give it a rest, people. I presume you all saw it coming and took appropriate action.
I'm not sure it's worth trawling through all this ordure to find the people who are asking genuine questions and really need help anymore.
It has become totally about me, then me, followed by me.
On the face of it, the Government and others are trying to do their best in a set of thoroughly difficult circumstances, particularly about Icelandic Banks and the usual crowd of Central Office apologists (although you'll note, not Central Office itself) have come here with there usual clever comments about how they know better and how stupid everyone else is. You are probably too young to remember that Governments of different stripes have also run into problems. Even some that they didn't cause.
The whole place has changed it's ethos from trying to help to happy to moan. Give it a rest, people. I presume you all saw it coming and took appropriate action.
I'm not sure it's worth trawling through all this ordure to find the people who are asking genuine questions and really need help anymore.
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What a really nasty place this has become! Full of unpleasant Daily Mail types.
Unfortunately Ray, I think the general nastiness that is around today has rubbed off on you - is there really any need to suggest that people who read the Daily Mail are unpleasant? It should be possible to express an opinion without being abusive about or abused by other forum users.0 -
You are probably too young to remember that Governments of different stripes have also run into problems. Even some that they didn't cause.
Talk about 'if the cap fits, wear it' !
I suspect that you don't really know what a nasty website forum is like (and there are plenty). Believe me, this one, even in this present fraught time, is sweetness and light by comparison.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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On the face of it, the Government and others are trying to do their best in a set of thoroughly difficult circumstances, particularly about Icelandic Banks and the usual crowd of Central Office apologists (although you'll note, not Central Office itself) have come here with there usual clever comments about how they know better and how stupid everyone else is. You are probably too young to remember that Governments of different stripes have also run into problems. Even some that they didn't cause.
People would have far more time for this Government if it weren't for the fact that they (& Gordon Brown in particular) spent 10 years taking 100% of the credit for (so-called) economic stability - but now appears to want 0% of the blame for the current turmoil. There isn't a labour MP out there who can get through a whole sentence without making sure to remind us that the current woes are entirely the fault of the US Subprime market.....
If Brown wants some respect he should either admit that his so-called clever management of the economy was in fact 100% down to him riding a global economic boom. OR, he could admit to his share of responsibility for the current bust.
Until he does one of the above (which we both know he never will) I have nothing but contempt for him & his lackeys.0 -
People would have far more time for this Government if it weren't for the fact that they (& Gordon Brown in particular) spent 10 years taking 100% of the credit for (so-called) economic stability - but now appears to want 0% of the blame for the current turmoil. There isn't a labour MP out there who can get through a whole sentence without making sure to remind us that the current woes are entirely the fault of the US Subprime market.
If Brown wants some respect he should either admit that his so-called clever management of the economy was in fact 100% down to him riding a global economic boom. OR, he could admit to his share of responsibility for the current bust.
I agree entirely - except that the global economic boom was mostly an illusion created by debt and inflated house prices. Brown could have taken steps at any stage to lessen the potential impact of any global or domestic turmoil but he didn't because that would mean admitting that things weren't as rosy as they appeared.
It would be truly tragic if Brown and Darling come out of this relatively unscathed because the unwashed masses are too busy looking at their guaranteed savings to notice the hiked up taxes, reduction in public spending and the runaway inflation.0 -
I agree with this sentiment too. It may interest Ray that the BBC did a 'vox pop' down the West End of London this afternoon and the comments there were neither personalising the problem, nor showing ingratitude for what the government has done. What those (apparently spontaneously chosen) people all brought up, though, was the entirely reasonable 'where is the money to pay for all this [£400bn] to come from'? [I assumed these are the sort of people with £50K in Iceland bank too, BTW...]If Brown wants some respect he should either admit that his so-called clever management of the economy was in fact 100% down to him riding a global economic boom. OR, he could admit to his share of responsibility for the current bust.
By comparison, the tone here is a bit regrettable and sour of late, but the thought went through my mind when the Chancellor's, Labour MP's and PM's remarks were being played back later that the governing classes really are pretty clueless (that, and rather obviously disingenious) about the nature of this situation. You see what they are saying (singing from hymnsheet?) is we need to make sure that the banking system gets back to business as usual ASAP (plus a bit of ritualistic CEO bashing) nothing much - in other words - beyond the 'Daily Mail' level of consciousness. What we actually need and what we will get out of the resolution of this banking crisis are two different things it seems. We 'need' to have banks going back to lending on business and geniune wealth creating activities - not consumer boosterism.
Fella's remarks about accepting responsibilty ought to include the admission from G. Brown that the latter emphasis was where he went wrong and that he has learned this bitter lesson and will ensure that 'investment' now adopts a more 'Scandanavian' outlook. Out too should go any thought of trying to 'PFI' the problem (massaging of statistics) and in should come a 'new deal' for transparency in all government finances. Unfortunately, the radio also said that, while the officially admitted level of government debt to GDP is now '50 percent' that excludes £200bn of 'special ops' money used for helping the city. Maybe it is just a coincidence that '50 percent' has been reached but not (allowed to be?) breached at this stage - certainly it is a 'nice round number' to play with...(In other words what would the true number be if they were forced to admit to everything they've committed taxpayers to fund up to and including today?).....under construction.... COVID is a [discontinued] scam0 -
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Now that the Icesave situation is looking good for UK savers, this place will hopefully settle down and get back to normality. I was horrified last evening to see the number of truly vicious postings, by a minority who vented their anger at the owner of this website and and at long standing members who only try and give an objective picture and were blaming them for an Icelandic bank that went bust. I was particularly disturbed at one individual who only registered quite recently who used the foulest of language and was quite threatening towards a couple of members. But what upset me most was a long standing member who was singled out by one individual and subjected to a tirade of bullying postings that I and a number of other members reported to the Admin team. I hope now that those people will reflect on their conduct and think twice before invading a decent discussion board with a tirade of abuse and blameworthy postings. Remember you are responsible for what you post, also remember that your financial investments are your decision, no-one elses.Liquidity is when you look at your investment portfolio and **** your pants0
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YES!!- is there really any need to suggest that people who read the Daily Mail are unpleasant? .
check out the anti Daily Mail coalition http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22131087190 -
Meant to be fun to lighten the mood folks:rotfl::rotfl:0 -
This forum is missing an investment bond thread. Come on Ed, lets liven it up.
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