Minimal furniture in a rented property?

Premier_2

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

No, to do a home fire safety check. Part of which is to supply smoke alarms if required.

But as previously noted,this thread was about the lack of a wardrobe in a bedroom, and you dug it up over 2 weeks later with a post starting with the words

"If the property doesn't have smoke alarms,..."

If you want to promote the service, fine, but do so in a related thread rather than digging up old threads on unrelated subjects.

As for a fire safety check, if the fire service weren't kept so busy fitting smoke alarms for those free loaders who don't want to spend a couple of quid protecting themselves, then they might be available to carry out safety talks in our schools like they did years ago and teach the youngsters the importance of making a fire escape plan in the home, giving advice on identifying fire hazards and what to do in the event of a fire.

Surely it's better for 1 person to give this advice to say 30= people at a time than it is to have 6 people instructing 1 or 2 people?

Premier_2

Tim_Deegan wrote:

Handymen don't do home fire safety checks.

No, they fit smoke alrams very well though and at a fraction of the cost that half a dozen highly trained firefighters in an expensive and fuel thirty fire engine would incur doing the same work

Tim_Deegan wrote:

And no we don't sit around all day waiting for fires.

Oh good, you agree with me there. It wasn't mne that suggested they do.

Tim_Deegan wrote:

It's because people don't want to pay higher taxes that retained fire stations exist. I am retained as well as whole time, so I know the situation thankyou.

So what are you suggesting on this moneysaving expert website?

That the government throws more money at the fire service and charges the tax-payers extra?

Or would it be better to make sure the money currently collected in taxes is used more efficiently?

Tim_Deegan

Premier wrote: »

Now if we weren't squandering money paying firefighters to wash cars, unlock houses, get cats down from trees, fit soke alarmes etc we might have enough money to provide a proper fire permanent fire service capable of handling a typical house fire in most towns in the UK.

Just how long does it take to get those fire engines fronm the other side of the county?

How does that square up with getting to a fire early to put it out?

What are you talking about???

Who said anything about us being paid to wash cars?
We do charge for lock outs.
We are a rescue service which includes animals, but we only turn out to animal rescues if called by the RSPCA. Ive only been to 1 cat rescue in 16 years.
The only time they come from the other side of the county is for special appliances, or fires like Buncefield.

If the householder gets early warning from a smoke alarm, then they would only need minimal resources to put the fire out.

READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS

Tim_Deegan

Premier wrote: »

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

...and how many of those fire-fighters would have not lost there lives in that high rise fire where gas cylinders were stored by ensuring a smoke alarm was fitted?

A smoke alarm does not prevent fires. It alerts occupants to their early existence.

Once you need to pull in firefighters from perhaps 30+ miles away, the soke alarm will probably be long gone in the inferno.

When that overheated gas cylinder goes bang, a melted smoke alarm is not going to save the life of the fire-fighter stood next to it.

If you aren't going to read posts properly, then I'm not going to reply to you.

Premier_2

barnaby-bear wrote: »

You're assuming they can read the instructions can but in a rawl-plug if necessary, have a drill if necessary - understand the correct heights and distances.... you've obviously never worked with a large sector of the general public - there are a lot of divs out there :rotfl:

You are also assuming the physical ability (cripples/old folk/the really short) and equipment ladders etc to reach ceilings (they can be very high in some victorian homes)

Lots of people are too lazy and lots too intimidated by doing something unknown but I'd rather not pay for 20years of special home and medical care if they get smoke inhilation damage.... plus just because I live next door to a f^ckless layabout thicko chav doesn't mean I don't want him to have a smoke alarm by any means to avoid him burning down my flat/or the one with the sweet innocent babies/vunerable old people etc...

These are university students. They used to be the elite of our educational system, but you're probably right nowadays. With the majority of kids now going onto university as a way of ensuring this government doesn't get accused of having 3 million unemployed, some of them probably can't read.

Tim_Deegan

barnaby-bear wrote: »

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I didn't post it - I was just pointing out a residential fire may need a substantial service presence particularly if flats...

No it was Premier who didn't do the quote thing properly.

Tim_Deegan

Premier wrote: »

But as previously noted,this thread was about the lack of a wardrobe in a bedroom, and you dug it up over 2 weeks later with a post starting with the words

"If the property doesn't have smoke alarms,..."

If you want to promote the service, fine, but do so in a related thread rather than digging up old threads on unrelated subjects.

As for a fire safety check, if the fire service weren't kept so busy fitting smoke alarms for those free loaders who don't want to spend a couple of quid protecting themselves, then they might be available to carry out safety talks in our schools like they did years ago and teach the youngsters the importance of making a fire escape plan in the home, giving advice on identifying fire hazards and what to do in the event of a fire.

Surely it's better for 1 person to give this advice to say 30= people at a time than it is to have 6 people instructing 1 or 2 people?

We still do those talks to schools.

Tim_Deegan

Premier wrote: »

some of them probably can't read.

And some people don't seem to be able to read my posts before they reply. :rotfl:

Premier_2

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

What are you talking about???

Who said anything about us being paid to wash cars?
We do charge for lock outs.
We are a rescue service which includes animals, but we only turn out to animal rescues if called by the RSPCA. Ive only been to 1 cat rescue in 16 years.
The only time they come from the other side of the county is for special appliances, or fires like Buncefield.

If the householder gets early warning from a smoke alarm, then they would only need minimal resources to put the fire out.

READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS

If you were a bit older, you'd remember when the fire service used to offer a free lock out service - that was stopped due to free-loaders abusing their service rather than paying for a locksmith.

You'd also rememeber when the fire service used to get cats down from trees. They still do, but as you say, now only under the express instruction of someone like the RAC due to abuse of their helpful service.

Now, fortunately it looks like time is being called on the fitment of free smoke alarms because of free-loaders and people like you promoting this service to all and sundry. It's a pity because there are some vulnerable people that could really benefit from this service, but when it is abused, it is withdrawn.

As for engines coming from the other side of the county, where else do you think they come from if not available in the town itself?
Major disasters usually call on fire servies from outside the county - but as those situations are rare, that is acceptable.
What I find unacceptable is that my town doesn't have enough pumps to tackle a single typical house fire according to you (but in fact does as most house fires around here are amply served by 1-2 pumps, not 5 as you suggest), but more unacceptable is that we also have to serve neighbouring towns beacuse of their lack of any permanent fire service.

Tim_Deegan

Premier wrote: »

If you were a bit older, you'd remember when the fire service used to offer a free lock out service - that was stopped due to free-loaders abusing their service rather than paying for a locksmith.

You'd also rememeber when the fire service used to get cats down from trees. They still do, but as you say, now only under the express instruction of someone like the RAC due to abuse of their helpful service.

Now, fortunately it looks like time is being called on the fitment of free smoke alarms because of free-loaders and people like you promoting this service to all and sundry. It's a pity because there are some vulnerable people that could really benefit from this service, but when it is abused, it is withdrawn.

As for engines coming from the other side of the county, where else do you think they come from if not available in the town itself?
Major disasters usually call on fire servies from outside the county - but as those situations are rare, that is acceptable.
What I find unacceptable is that my town doesn't have enough pumps to tackle a single typical house fire according to you (but in fact does as most house fires around here are amply served by 1-2 pumps, not 5 as you suggest), but more unacceptable is that we also have to serve neighbouring towns beacuse of their lack of any permanent fire service.

Sorry, but when did you become an expert on the fire service?