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  • Tim_Deegan
    Tim_Deegan Posts: 6,027 Forumite
    Premier wrote: »
    It appears to have been caused by someone digging up threads, some of which were months old, and posting saying get the fire service round for an hour or so to fit a 2 quid smoke alarm.

    No, to do a home fire safety check. Part of which is to supply smoke alarms if required.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    Catblue wrote: »
    Sounds like the voice of experience there, neverdespairgirl. :p

    I've prosecuted some obscenity trials, but it's not a lesiure activity for me.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Premier_2
    Premier_2 Posts: 15,141 Forumite
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    Tim_Deegan wrote: »
    It's the people who can't afford someone trained to fit smoke alarms, and give fire safety advice who need home fire safety checks. These are the people who are targeted first.

    What exact training do you need to fit a smoke alarm? The instructions are supplied for simple d-i-y fitting.

    One would hope that the elite of our eductaional system would be able to follow those simple d-i-y instructions...but as I said, it seems universities are no longer the reserve of the highly educated but the domain of the majority today :(
    "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010
  • Catblue
    Catblue Posts: 872 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    I've prosecuted some obscenity trials, but it's not a lesiure activity for me.

    Was only joshing with you*. Honest. I know that you are a respectable pillar of the community. :o

    *Please do not sue me.
  • Tim_Deegan
    Tim_Deegan Posts: 6,027 Forumite
    Premier wrote: »
    You really think fire fighters spend their day sitting on their backsides when thay are not on a shout (or carrying out non-related tasks better suited to handymen?)

    Handymen don't do home fire safety checks. And no we don't sit around all day waiting for fires. We also do fire safety work including home fire safety checks.

    Premier wrote: »
    I have already alluded to the unbelievable situation that many people find themselves in by being covered by part-time, retained fire fighters. These are highly trained fire-fighters that are usually employed elsewhere because there aren't enough taxes to pay them a decent permanent wage, so are on-call like so many of our coastal life-guards are. How long does it take for them to leave their usual job and travel to the local fire station before they can even start their fire fighting duties?

    I'll tell you - a couple of neighbouring towns to me rely on these retained fire fighters and it's not the odd occassion that permanent crews are sent from our town to theirs upto 15 miles away because they can get there quicker than the retained firefighters can, albeit at break-neck speed along dark & narrow lanes! At least though they do so under blues lights, unlike the poor retained firefighters who have to brave the roads in their own private motor vehicles to get to where the unmanned fire-station.

    It's because people don't want to pay higher taxes that retained fire stations exist. I am retained as well as whole time, so I know the situation thankyou.
  • Premier_2
    Premier_2 Posts: 15,141 Forumite
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    Tim_Deegan wrote: »
    Did you actually read my post??? It costs the tax payer less when a fire is discovered early.



    Many serious house fires involve around 5 pumps (they come from neighbouring towns).



    Read my previous post to this one



    I didn't even mention it.
    Now if we weren't squandering money paying firefighters to wash cars, unlock houses, get cats down from trees, fit soke alarmes etc we might have enough money to provide a proper fire permanent fire service capable of handling a typical house fire in most towns in the UK.

    Just how long does it take to get those fire engines fronm the other side of the county?

    How does that square up with getting to a fire early to put it out?
    "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010
  • Premier_2
    Premier_2 Posts: 15,141 Forumite
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    Tim_Deegan wrote: »
    Premier wrote: »

    High rise fires are some of the most dangerous we attend. Many people (including firefighters have died in them).
    ...and how many of those fire-fighters would have not lost there lives in that high rise fire where gas cylinders were stored by ensuring a smoke alarm was fitted?

    A smoke alarm does not prevent fires. It alerts occupants to their early existence.

    Once you need to pull in firefighters from perhaps 30+ miles away, the soke alarm will probably be long gone in the inferno.

    When that overheated gas cylinder goes bang, a melted smoke alarm is not going to save the life of the fire-fighter stood next to it.
    "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 2010
  • barnaby-bear
    barnaby-bear Posts: 4,142 Forumite
    Premier wrote: »
    What exact training do you need to fit a smoke alarm? The instructions are supplied for simple d-i-y fitting.

    One would hope that the elite of our eductaional system would be able to follow those simple d-i-y instructions...but as I said, it seems universities are no longer the reserve of the highly educated but the domain of the majority today :(

    You're assuming they can read the instructions can but in a rawl-plug if necessary, have a drill if necessary - understand the correct heights and distances.... you've obviously never worked with a large sector of the general public - there are a lot of divs out there :rotfl:

    You are also assuming the physical ability (cripples/old folk/the really short) and equipment ladders etc to reach ceilings (they can be very high in some victorian homes)

    Lots of people are too lazy and lots too intimidated by doing something unknown but I'd rather not pay for 20years of special home and medical care if they get smoke inhilation damage.... plus just because I live next door to a f^ckless layabout thicko chav doesn't mean I don't want him to have a smoke alarm by any means to avoid him burning down my flat/or the one with the sweet innocent babies/vunerable old people etc...
  • barnaby-bear
    barnaby-bear Posts: 4,142 Forumite
    Tim_Deegan wrote: »
    Premier wrote: »

    High rise fires are some of the most dangerous we attend. Many people (including firefighters have died in them).
    I didn't post it - I was just pointing out a residential fire may need a substantial service presence particularly if flats...
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    Catblue wrote: »
    Was only joshing with you*. Honest. I know that you are a respectable pillar of the community. :o

    *Please do not sue me.

    Don't worry, I've never personally sued anyone (-:

    The lawyer who represents herself has a fool for a client.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
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