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It appears to have been caused by someone digging up threads, some of which were months old, and posting saying get the fire service round for an hour or so to fit a 2 quid smoke alarm.PasturesNew wrote: »How can get you from "He has no wardrobe or desk" to 6 strapping firemen drinking tea. Really!"Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
I knew someone who used this service, thinking it would be just a guy in a car.
No it was the complete crew in the huge, fuel thirsty truck. All the neighbours were nosying around what the problem was with the engine parked outside her house.
Meanwhile she was making them all a cup of tea and having a good old natter about how surprised she was that they all turned up.
It depends on which fire service to who they use. Some have civilian workers to do the job, but due to the huge numbers involved then operational firefighters may also do the checks. However you should remember that we don't just do home fire safety checks. We also carry out other fire safety work, familiarisation inspections, off station training etc, etc, etc. It is often more economical, and a much better use of resources to send a fire engine that will probably be out and about doing other duties in the local area, instead of sending someone miles across the county in a car.
Remember, if they get a fire call they leave.0 -
If someone can afford to pay rent, I'm sure they can afford to pay a few quid for a local handyman/electrician to carry out the simple job work of installing a smoke alarm (assuming they are incapable of doing it themselves)
Perhaps if the fire service started charging people the actual price it costs them to turn out to do the job, like they do now rather than provide a free locksmith service that so many people used to abuse, then people wouldn't be expecting te taxpayer to pick up the bills for looking after theior property - one wich probably cost them serveral hundred thousand pound to buy in the first place but one in which they are not prepared to spend a few pounds on looking after.
It's not the taxpayers role to subsidise these free loaders, and good on the government to stop this waste of taxpayers resources. Our taxes should be targeted to to those services that people really need, not to those sitting back in their own castle swigging a beer or two whilst they get our vital services to carry out the work they themselves should be funding.
But the taxpayer is ALREADY paying the firemen to wait for the next fire.... and yes sometimes you do have to give f^ckwits stuff for free those most inclined to cut corners and not take personal responsibility and have a fire are those least inclined to pay.... it's why we give free contraception away0 -
barnaby-bear wrote: »So not a house then?
Did it have a smoke alarm fitted?
How many pumps would have been needed if there was a smoke alarm fitted?
How exactly does a smoke alarm prevent people from storing gas cylinders in their property?
And lots of people live in flats.... so a lot of 'house fires' which often misdescribe all residential fires will be expensive multi-appliance callouts.... a correctly fitted smoke alarm may mean an appliance gets to location sooner, before it all goes very boom-bangy and gets to the multi-appliance chaos stage...0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »How can get you from "He has no wardrobe or desk" to 6 strapping firemen drinking tea. Really!
SOunds like the "plot" from a !!!!!! film....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »SOunds like the "plot" from a !!!!!! film.
Sounds like the voice of experience there, neverdespairgirl.
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Smoke alarms don't stop fires - they alert people early to their existence so that they can make themselves safe.
Did you actually read my post??? It costs the tax payer less when a fire is discovered early.How many house fires do you see that involve 5 pump fires? I hope not many because we don't even have five pumps in our town!!!
Many serious house fires involve around 5 pumps (they come from neighbouring towns).Perhaps if so much money wasn't wasted sending upto half a dozen expensive & highly trained firefighters off in an expensive fuel thirsty, heavy lorry fully laden with water, to do a job that a local handyman or electrician could do for a few quid, we might have an even better fire service that actually puts out fires and offers real fire prevention measures!
Read my previous post to this oneDon't even get me started on the issue of retained, part-time fire fighters that are expected to cover so many parts of the UK because there are no funds available for permanent full-time cover.
I didn't even mention it.0 -
If someone can afford to pay rent, I'm sure they can afford to pay a few quid for a local handyman/electrician to carry out the simple job work of installing a smoke alarm (assuming they are incapable of doing it themselves)
It's the people who can't afford someone trained to fit smoke alarms, and give fire safety advice who need home fire safety checks. These are the people who are targeted first.Perhaps if the fire service started charging people the actual price it costs them to turn out to do the job, like they do now rather than provide a free locksmith service that so many people used to abuse, then people wouldn't be expecting te taxpayer to pick up the bills for looking after theior property - one wich probably cost them serveral hundred thousand pound to buy in the first place but one in which they are not prepared to spend a few pounds on looking after.
It's not the taxpayers role to subsidise these free loaders, and good on the government to stop this waste of taxpayers resources. Our taxes should be targeted to to those services that people really need, not to those sitting back in their own castle swigging a beer or two whilst they get our vital services to carry out the work they themselves should be funding.
Try reading my posts before you reply.0 -
You really think fire fighters spend their day sitting on their backsides when thay are not on a shout (or carrying out non-related tasks better suited to handymen?)barnaby-bear wrote: »But the taxpayer is ALREADY paying the firemen to wait for the next fire.... and yes sometimes you do have to give f^ckwits stuff for free those most inclined to cut corners and not take personal responsibility and have a fire are those least inclined to pay.... it's why we give free contraception away
Perhaps we should have them round washing our windows too instead of paying window cleaners, since they've got nothing else to do and we're paying them? :rolleyes:
I have already alluded to the unbelievable situation that many people find themselves in by being covered by part-time, retained fire fighters. These are highly trained fire-fighters that are usually employed elsewhere because there aren't enough taxes to pay them a decent permanent wage, so are on-call like so many of our coastal life-guards are. How long does it take for them to leave their usual job and travel to the local fire station before they can even start their fire fighting duties?
I'll tell you - a couple of neighbouring towns to me rely on these retained fire fighters and it's not the odd occassion that permanent crews are sent from our town to theirs upto 15 miles away because they can get there quicker than the retained firefighters can, albeit at break-neck speed along dark & narrow lanes! At least though they do so under blues lights, unlike the poor retained firefighters who have to brave the roads in their own private motor vehicles to get to where the unmanned fire-station."Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
barnaby-bear wrote: »So not a house then?
Did it have a smoke alarm fitted?
How many pumps would have been needed if there was a smoke alarm fitted?
How exactly does a smoke alarm prevent people from storing gas cylinders in their property?
High rise fires are some of the most dangerous we attend. Many people (including firefighters have died in them).0
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