Energy Companies Price Rise Petition

1carminestocky

Mazio wrote: »

When these industies post their profits usualy in the millions if not billions it makes no difference which part they make the money it just needs to STOP! its as simple as that.

This is not M&S were you can just not buy if the price is to high or go somewere else this is for something which is a basic human need.

As I stated in my previous post its up to the industry to to come up with a proposal and if they cannot then the goverment should step in .

Most sensible point made on here so far IMO (with the exception of some of mine, of course ). This is NOT a choice for 99.9999999999999999999% of the UK population, they HAVE to have heat and light. That's the real crux of the matter. That's the problem I have with privatisation of ESSENTIAL products/services.

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

It really is not necessary to keep demonstrating that fact.

Personally I think you are being too hard on yourself, your maths is much better than your logic!

I was expecting a detailed, factually-based follow up to this post and now I've been disappointed. Oh well..:p

KimYeovil

Most people do have a choice - they are not cold blooded. Central heating is not a basic human need. There is a world of difference between "it's difficult heating my entire home for months on end" and "it's difficult heating one room for a couple of hours in the evening when it's actually cold". Very few people are in the latter situation. And if that is true, they can not afford the latter, then the problem must be in the structure of their home and the solution has to be with insulation-class alterations or moving - not granting them hundreds of pounds of tax-payers money or surcharging customers with efficient homes or abstemious ways hundreds of pounds extra.

1carminestocky

KimYeovil wrote: »

Most people do have a choice - they are not cold blooded. Central heating is not a basic human need. There is a world of difference between "it's difficult heating my entire home for months on end" and "it's difficult heating one room for a couple of hours in the evening when it's actually cold". Very few people are in the latter situation. And if that is true, they can not afford the latter, then the problem must be in the structure of their home and the solution has to be with insulation-class alterations or moving - not granting them hundreds of pounds of tax-payers money or surcharging customers with efficient homes or abstemious ways hundreds of pounds extra.

Who said 'central heating is a basic human need?' I said heat and light is, I didn't stipulate the level of this. Are you seriously suggesting heat and light ISN'T a basic human need in a developed country? I'm not even talking about the cost here specifically, I'm talking about the moral argument that IMO a service that is a BASIC HUMAN NEED should not be in private hands, that's all..

KimYeovil

Mazio did, not you. Not everything revolves around you, 1Carmine.

But, 1Carmine, you have not presented any moral argument. You have merely repeatedly stated your distaste. Presenting an argument with some pieces of evidence would be refreshing.

Indeed, if anything, you have admitted your complaint is completely specious and unfounded - "I'm not talking about the cost" - so even if (YOU THOUGHT) people could afford the private companies' bills you would still be unhappy.

1carminestocky

KimYeovil wrote: »

Mazio did, not you. Not everything revolves around you, 1Carmine.

But, 1Carmine, you have not presented any moral argument. You have merely repeatedly stated your distaste. Presenting an argument with some pieces of evidence would be refreshing.

Indeed, if anything, you have admitted your complaint is completely specious and unfounded - "I'm not talking about the cost" - so even if (YOU THOUGHT) people could afford the private companies' bills you would still be unhappy.

'I'm not even talking about the cost specifically

Don't you know how to copy and paste?? Of course the cost is a consideration but in the context of this thread my argument is a moral one. It's not a difficult concept to UNDERSTAND even if you don't agree with it, KY.

I'm talking about the moral argument that IMO a service that is a BASIC HUMAN NEED should not be in private hands, that's all..

1carminestocky

Altarf, I'm trying to get to the tariff you are on with EDF but not succeeding. My sister is in Stanford Le Hope with a SS17 postcode (so I'm planning to tell her about it!) and that's not bringing it up. Is she classed as Eastern Region? All I'm getting is a BG-esque standard rate, Price Protection 2009 and Climate Balance, none of which's rates are in any way approaching your deal. Any ideas how to get it showing? TIA!


Edit: I'm also having a devil of a job getting those figures you quote from the EDF France site (I suppose not being fluent in French may be a hindrance here!). I keep putting the 75001 postocode in that you used but the next screen that appears would appear to be telling me to ring them on a freephone number and no prices appear on screen. What am I doing wrong, please?

moonrakerz

Mazio wrote: »

When these industies post their profits usualy in the millions if not billions it makes no difference which part they make the money it just needs to STOP! its as simple as that.

This is not M&S .

Why , oh, why do we keep getting this same hackneyed old story ?

The energy suppliers make huge profits because they have huge turnovers ! Can someone please explain why an energy supplier with a profit margin half that of M & S is "ripping us all off" when M & S is a wonderful, saintly organisation that wouldn't dream of watching old ladies freeze to death !
And of course, we all presume there are no "fat cats" living off the "obscene profits" flooding out of Baker Street ! Just little old ladies struggling to pay their energy bills !

1carminestocky

Eh? M&S is an overpriced monolith sustained by people who have been using it for years, don't mind paying way over the odds for stuff and wouldn't dream of changing. Sound familiar, lol?

Mazio_2

moonrakerz wrote: »

Why , oh, why do we keep getting this same hackneyed old story ?

The energy suppliers make huge profits because they have huge turnovers ! Can someone please explain why an energy supplier with a profit margin half that of M & S is "ripping us all off" when M & S is a wonderful, saintly organisation that wouldn't dream of watching old ladies freeze to death !
And of course, we all presume there are no "fat cats" living off the "obscene profits" flooding out of Baker Street ! Just little old ladies struggling to pay their energy bills !

Good for them then why havent we enough gas storage facilities in this country oh I forgot its because we need to give vast amounts of money from the turn over to the investers, shareholders and the boards!

Of course M&S will try to get as much profit as they can but consumers can go else were which restricts thier margins in a real competative market.

There will always be fools who will waste energy as well as everything else in this world but I suggest there are many more who do not .

Also why oh why so many different tarifs if not to confuse and catch people out.