Mobility Car Rules - is this genuine?

cyclonebri1

bestpud wrote: »

But tbh this thread is more about clearing up the ambiguity in the rules for mobility cars. I'm pretty sure these people wouldn't want some jobsworth traffic police officer to make an issue of it, and as it currently stands, they could, it seems!

Thats exactly the way I see it too;) :T

calleyw

my_two_cents wrote: »

Apart from the fact that you don't need to have a good credit to go on the Motability scheme, why run the risk of the "money laundering brigade" for tendering a sum over £3000 or fall foul of the DWP law regards having savings.

Besides, you can choose not to lease the car, but apply to buy it instead.;)

Granted about the credit for some but for most that work not really a point. But that is not what most of this thread has been about.

my_two_cents wrote: »

All these hullabaloo over a grand princely sum of £90-£200 road tax rebate for a disabled person.:shocked: :shocked:

Umm it will not £90-£200 road tax we are talking about fines that could be for thousands of pounds. How many disabled people could afford that

Seeing as the DVLA are part of the government and the Mobility is a business who do you think will win in court. I would not want to be the first to try it out.

According to you as it is only £90-£200 so why not get rid of the disabled tax disc . With higher rate mobility that a months worth of money.

The same with blue badges I don't mind paying for parking I just would like to park as close as to the shop as I can for my husband.

As best pud said it is about the legality of it. And also it is not fair just because you choose not give up £47ish a week to get a mobility car you don't get the same rights.

Yours


Calley

my_two_cents

calleyw wrote: »

Granted about the credit for
. . .Umm it will not £90-£200 road tax we are talking about fines that could be for thousands of pounds. How many disabled people could afford that . . .

Calley

Really:eek: , please spare us and get this right, most people on this thread are just miffed that some disabled people's dependant, are getting away with not paying road tax, not that they give two figs whether they are caught and fined.:cool:

TGM

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

But if above posters are correct you cannot tax a mobility car other than disabled class?

And again define work use.

PS, not aimed at you in particular, but nothing has been cleared up yet

As far as I'm aware, if you intend to 'opt out' of disabled class you inform the DVLA. They will stop sending you the free disc and replace it with the usual bill as it were.

Sherrie

bestpud wrote: »

Well FWIW, I have claimed DLA in the past. However, my question wasn't about what people spend their money on but rather why people claim mobility cars are not a 'perk' when they clearly are - otherwise people would not have them unless they needed them adapted in some way of course.

However, people with disabilities need to abide by the law too. I find this idea of leaving them to it 'as they have a difficult enough life' quite odd tbh. It is entirely wrong to argue we should turn a blind eye because they have a disability, or someone in their family does!

But tbh this thread is more about clearing up the ambiguity in the rules for mobility cars. I'm pretty sure these people wouldn't want some jobsworth traffic police officer to make an issue of it, and as it currently stands, they could, it seems!

So, whether or not you agree with the OP (I'm not sure whether I do or not), there is an issue here that needs clarifying. If I was using a motability car which was in my child's name to go to work and back every day, while my DH was using another one in his name to care for said child, I'd certainly want the rules clarified! Perhaps I'm odd in wanting to know I am 'legal' though?

I understand what your saying, but in all fairness as long as they're paying car tax what does it matter if they're receiving the £47 (or whatever the high rate mobility is) or a car? How is this a perk, they either get the money or a car, simple as that, if you're going to say the car is a perk then the money must be a perk as well then???

Those who receive high rate mobility are able to use that money how they see fit to help them with their everyday life. It is not down to us to discuss what they should or should not do with THEIR disability payments.

I'm sure a lot of you will disagree with me here because you won't want to admit it, but those of you who are moaning obviously have no understanding of physical or mental health disabilities or you're a bit green eyed deep down and not looking at the situation through their eyes. A little bit of empathy goes a long long way.

bigturnip

Only about 1 in 5 people who are entitled to a car on the Motability scheme actually take them up on it, so obviously the scheme isn't for everyone, it is just one option of a way to spend your money to help with your mobility. Surely if it was a perk more than 1 in 5 would be on the scheme.

Pete268

TGM wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, if you intend to 'opt out' of disabled class you inform the DVLA. They will stop sending you the free disc and replace it with the usual bill as it were.

That is the problem though. There is no 'opt out' of disabled taxation with a Motability Lease Car.

Motability Operations hold the V5's for all leased vehicles and tax all leased vehicles as disabled. It is not possible to tax a Motability Car as PLG for example. I have tried asking them but they will not permit it at all.

To further add to this, if one plays on the 'Ask Mo' part of he Motability website and put in as a question 'Do I have to be in the car when it is being used?' you get the following reply (cut and pasted without alteration at all):

You said:
Do I have to be in the car when it is being used?

Mo says:
The Motability car may only be used by, or for the benefit of the disabled person. The disabled Person does not need to present when it is used. The car may be used by any named driver without the Disabled Person, e.g.. the customers spouse may use the car to travel to work, go shopping and other routine activities from which the disabled person derives an identifiable benefit.

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I wouldn't particularly like to rely on 'Ask Mo' in court though!!

Regards
Peter

TGM

Pete268 wrote: »

That is the problem though. There is no 'opt out' of disabled taxation with a Motability Lease Car.

Motability Operations hold the V5's for all leased vehicles and tax all leased vehicles as disabled. It is not possible to tax a Motability Car as PLG for example. I have tried asking them but they will not permit it at all.

To further add to this, if one plays on the 'Ask Mo' part of he Motability website and put in as a question 'Do I have to be in the car when it is being used?' you get the following reply (cut and pasted without alteration at all):

You said:
Do I have to be in the car when it is being used?

Mo says:
The Motability car may only be used by, or for the benefit of the disabled person. The disabled Person does not need to present when it is used. The car may be used by any named driver without the Disabled Person, e.g.. the customers spouse may use the car to travel to work, go shopping and other routine activities from which the disabled person derives an identifiable benefit.

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I wouldn't particularly like to rely on 'Ask Mo' in court though!!

Regards
Peter

That's confusing then, if you've actually tried to inquire about it. We were told by our dealer (Toyota)

The car had to be used for for wife's benefit etc etc. It couldn't be used for business purposes like as a Taxi or delivering pizzas etc etc. But if I intended to use for my purposes at any time ie going to a football match then then we'd have to be liable to pay the road tax. So we'd have to contact the DVLA to sort out paying for it.

If that turns out to be misinformation then I'll be beggered what's what.

Sugarfree_Babe

Motability is a charity but Motability Finance, who run the lease car scheme is a business.

The cars cost about £46 per week to lease and a great many require an additional upfront payment of up to several thousand pounds.

If you do your homework you will find many lease hire deals in the private sector offer better value for money.

Most disabled people are unable to work, therefore would be considered an unacceptable risk by most companies. That is why the scheme exists.

Just be grateful if you are fit, healthy and pain free because I would swap my car for that any day.

Pete268

Hi TGM,

Well, that was what I was told when I rang them, ie that they could only tax lease vehicles as disabled.

However, having dug around the Motability 'Ask Mo' site, I found this regarding taxation and the disabled Exemption.


You said:
I do not want to use my exemption, can the car be registered Private Light Goods?

Mo says:
Under arrangements agreed with DVLA all Motability cars will automatically be classed as disabled and receive the benefit of your exemption.Any other cars must be taxed Private Light Goods (PLG), if you do not want to use your exemption you must put your reasons in writing to [URL="javascript:%20bot_nav(%20'http://www.motability.co.uk/main.cfm?Type=CU' , '' , 'opener' );"]Motability Operations[/URL].

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So, it maybe possible but what one part of Motability says and what its website says are at times very contradictory!!
Peter