Which mattress? (merged threads)

dz1

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

It is actually almost all of your posts have been wrong, and your stats are based on advice from web sites run by manufacturers and retailers.

I have done a huge amount of research on a professional basis, where I actually get told the truth by manufacturers rather than being given the sales hype and propoganda that you have quoted.

You have proved that you actually know very very little on the subject, and are only in this thread because yet again you have been stalking me to try and discredit me.

The reason I have a problem with the things you say is because you don't back up your claims with independent sources and some of the things you say also conflict with a lot of what I have read from independent reports. For example, a lot of your claims conflict with two Which? Reports on memory foam mattresses.

If the things you say about mattresses are true then you should have no problem pointing to independent sources for your claims, like i have done several times in the past.

VIJAY_FROM_KENT

dz1 wrote: »

The reason I have a problem with the things you say is because you don't back up your claims with independent sources and some of the things you say also conflict with a lot of what I have read from independent reports. For example, a lot of your claims conflict with two Which? Reports on memory foam mattresses.

If the things you say about mattresses are true then you should have no problem pointing to independent sources for your claims, like i have done several times in the past.

While I respect your opinions Tim (and generally agree as a non-bed expert!), however I have to agree with this guy. It would be nice to read some other opinions/independent research that agrees with you. If you have some sources/web links I think it would be appreciated by all...

31210

Tim thanks again for your reply. So you reckon 65kg density of memory foam at 2.5 inch is a good choice? The mattress I'm looking at is called The Siesta Memory Foam mattress. Would you be kind enough to do a quick check on it?

Also has anyone bought from either Mattressonline co uk or www bedworld net?

Tim in your opinion 65kg density is optimum and dz1 you say 80/85kg density is better. Am I right in saying that the higher the density the slower the recovery rate? and if I'm right, then is a slower recovery memory foam mattress better?

Newbies such as myself take the help you provide quite seriously and I'm trying to do some research myself on what you recommend rather than just jump and buy, but there just doesnt seem to be any independent review/advice on memory foam etc. If there is then please provide links to help us out.

dz1 i agree with your way of thinking but also appreciate Tims help and accept that by helping me choose, say for example a 65kg density mem foam, Tim doesnt benefit in anyway. You both seem to know what you are talking about but please guys lets be more civil. I agree with the poster before me, if you guys provide independent test results/proof to back up your claims then this will help us all.

I sincerely hope none of this was caused as a result of me asking for help. I am loving this site and you guys reply and help out so quick, please keep up the good work.

PS: I am loving the Yanis mem foam mattress, my god I feel like a human being again. My friend is so jealous because he only has reflex foam and not mem foam

Best regards

Joshua

Tim_Deegan

e102gamma wrote: »

Are the bases generally open coil or something completely different?

The springs in a sprung base are open coil type springs that are about 2" deep.

Tim_Deegan

dz1 wrote: »

The reason I have a problem with the things you say is because you don't back up your claims with independent sources and some of the things you say also conflict with a lot of what I have read from independent reports. For example, a lot of your claims conflict with two Which? Reports on memory foam mattresses.

If the things you say about mattresses are true then you should have no problem pointing to independent sources for your claims, like i have done several times in the past.

I spend hours of my own valuable time giving out completely free advice from my knowledge that had been picked up from years of research as well as working closely with bed manufacturers to develop the best possible design mattresses.

If I had hours more to spare then I could back up everything I have ever said in these forums. But to go back through the 1000's of sources just to satisfy someone who is so paranoid that they can't possibly believe that someone who sells a product could ever be honest, then I'm sorry but I can't even be bothered to give you the time of day.

It is a very well known fact in the bed industry that there are a few companies who use very questionable tactics to advertise. This includes posting fake reviews. It is human nature that people are more likely to put pen to paper to complain, than they are to give praise. So when you see a review site that has reveiws for many companies, but usually no more that 30 for most. Then you have Ergoflex and a retailer that have over 100 and over 200 reviews giving mainly 9's and 10's then it is very obvious that something dodgy is going on.

Also I have been on the receiving end of Tempur's very dodgy (and probably illegal) tactics to try and get rid of competition, so I wouldn't put anything past them. I have also seen many sites that are obviously connected to Tempur, but claim to be independent.

I can understand the frustration when a member of the public tries to do a bit of research before buying a product. They read various sites that tell them similar things, and then someone else turns around and says it is wrong. But the fact is that the sites they have researched are sneaky advertising, and they do manage to brain wash people, so the advertising has worked.

As for Which Magazine, we have had a long conversation regarding memory foam mattresses. Which give out good general advice based on what they are told, because they aren't experts on all products. And they admit that they can be given wrong information. In their reports they say that all memory foam mattresses are non turn, but as we know this isn't true. There is also a very disproportionate number of reflex foam/memory foam mattresses tested compared to sprung mattresses (only 3 of the mattresses contained pocket springs). The other two sprung mattresses contained open coil, and continuous spring systems. Part of the score was awarded for convenience, so mattresses with removable covers, and those that came vacuum packed and rolled up scored higher. In a pocket sprung mattress the fabric actually makes up part of the structure, so you can't remove the fabric, but then most people use a mattresses protector these days anyway. As for vacuum packed mattresses, these are usually lower quality ones as the process actually puts stress on the foam, and can cause damage. However if your mattress is delivered then it doesn't matter about being able to fit it in the boot of your car. Which have taken these and many other points on board, and are going to contact me before the next memory foam mattress review.

Springs V Reflex foam
I'll try to explain why the reason why pocket springs are better (if you understand it then it is actually common sense). If you take a block of reflex foam (which is just sponge) and you push down in one place, then the area around your hand will also slope downwards. This is much the same as open coil springs. If you push down on pocket sprungs, then only the springs you are pushing down will compress, and the surrounding springs won't. This means that pocket springs contour to your body far better.

Memory Foam Density
The density of the memory foam dictates how well it supports your body. If the density is too low then it won't give any better support than reflex foam. The higher the density the better the support, so you are right in what you say dz1 about 85kg giving very good support, but the optimum has to be a compromise because a density that is too high has a very slow recovery rate which can make changing position difficult, possibly causing disturbed sleep. The optimum density is 60 to 70kg, but you can go as low as 55kg. If you like a very high density, then it is fine, but most people do prefer the 60 to 70kg range.

Depth of memory foam
The memory foam on a mattress is only there to mould to your body without causing pressure points. 2" is enough to do this, and there is absolutey no added benefit if it is any deeper, because all that will happen is you will sink deeper into the mattress with can make you too hot, and can make it difficult to change position.

Temperature
Many people say that memory foam makes you hot in bed. This is because most memory foam mattresses on the market are all foam. The memory foam absorbs heat from your body. This then reacts with the memory foam to soften it so that it can mould to your body. The memory foam that isn't directly in contact with your body will be slightly cooler, and therefore slightly firmer. This is how memory foam gives such good support. If the heat can't escape from the memory foam then it can build up. This can lessen the support that the memory foam gives, and can also cause overheating. If has mattress springs then the air can circulate through the spring layer, and can dissipate the heat from the memory foam. In fact each time you move the whole mattress acts like bellows circulating the air. I know some foam mattresses have gimmicks like channels that air is supposed to flow through, but these channels wil be flattened as soon as you lay on the mattress.

Tim_Deegan

vjain wrote: »

While I respect your opinions Tim (and generally agree as a non-bed expert!), however I have to agree with this guy. It would be nice to read some other opinions/independent research that agrees with you. If you have some sources/web links I think it would be appreciated by all...

I spend hours of my own valuable time giving out completely free advice from my knowledge that had been picked up from years of research from 100's of sources as well as working closely with bed manufacturers to develop the best possible design mattresses. I also speak to 1000's of people and hear their opinions, and actually take their views in. However I don't have time to spend many more hours searching each of the 100's of individual sources to post them on here just because someone thinks they know better.

You actually took my advice, and you say you are very happy with your purchase (bought from someone else I should add before someone jumps in). So do you think the advice I give is good or not?

Sleeping_Beauty

Hi does anyone have any opinion about ,or own this mattress ? I am completely bewildered by all the different products out there. I can only buy this online as our local stores don't stock it. It seems to fit the bill....

Millbrook - "Romance 1400" - Mattress

• 1400 Pocket Springs (In a 5’)
• 24cm Depth
• Cotton and Polyester Fillings
• Lambs Wool
• 2 Rows of Hand Side Stitching
• Air Vents
• Flag Stitched Handles
The Romance 1400 is a supremely comfort mattress from Millbrook. Support is created by the 1400 individually pocketed springs in the 5’ model which work independently from each other like pistons to conform to the contours of the body. Comfort is also generated by the generous layers of cotton, polyester and lambs wool. The air vents around the perimeter of the Romance 1400 help to reduce moisture and humidity build up for a cool and relaxing night sleep'

Thanks

VIJAY_FROM_KENT

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I spend hours of my own valuable time giving out completely free advice from my knowledge that had been picked up from years of research from 100's of sources as well as working closely with bed manufacturers to develop the best possible design mattresses. I also speak to 1000's of people and hear their opinions, and actually take their views in. However I don't have time to spend many more hours searching each of the 100's of individual sources to post them on here just because someone thinks they know better.

You actually took my advice, and you say you are very happy with your purchase (bought from someone else I should add before someone jumps in). So do you think the advice I give is good or not?

The mattress I purchased is much better than the mattress I had before which had spring poking me in the back, however I can not compare it sleeping on other types of mattress... I am not asking for you to search thousands of other sources, I was just interested to know if you had seen any research that came to the same conclusions as you such as Which, etc...

Tim_Deegan

Sleeping_Beauty wrote: »

Hi does anyone have any opinion about ,or own this mattress ? I am completely bewildered by all the different products out there. I can only buy this online as our local stores don't stock it. It seems to fit the bill....

Millbrook - "Romance 1400" - Mattress

• 1400 Pocket Springs (In a 5’)
• 24cm Depth
• Cotton and Polyester Fillings
• Lambs Wool
• 2 Rows of Hand Side Stitching
• Air Vents
• Flag Stitched Handles
The Romance 1400 is a supremely comfort mattress from Millbrook. Support is created by the 1400 individually pocketed springs in the 5’ model which work independently from each other like pistons to conform to the contours of the body. Comfort is also generated by the generous layers of cotton, polyester and lambs wool. The air vents around the perimeter of the Romance 1400 help to reduce moisture and humidity build up for a cool and relaxing night sleep'

Thanks

It appears to be exclusive to mattressman, so is probably made to their spec.

I can't see any problems with the specification or the price.

The only thing I would say is that you can normally get more for your money with independent manufacturers.

Tim_Deegan

vjain wrote: »

The mattress I purchased is much better than the mattress I had before which had spring poking me in the back, however I can not compare it sleeping on other types of mattress... I am not asking for you to search thousands of other sources, I was just interested to know if you had seen any research that came to the same conclusions as you such as Which, etc...

Yes there is a huge amount of research as I said. And my research has been over a number of years, so it could take days to find it all. If you don't accept what I say, then just ignore me, I don't make people agree with me, but what I do hate is when people just argue with me just to try and discredit me, because they have been reading a few fake reviews.