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    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 4:41 PM
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    ANPR Ltd - Local counsil statement,, WTF!
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    • 21st May 15, 4:41 PM
    ANPR Ltd - Local counsil statement,, WTF! 21st May 15 at 4:41 PM
    I,m in the process , due to a lie on a FOI request , trying to get ANPR ltd removed by a counsil as there preferred operator.


    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/264541/response/646374/attach/html/2/Reply%20letter.docx.html


    I have contacted them , sent links to the BPA site saying they are banned from the BPA , links from the pranksters site , photos of recent tickets showeing charges for trespass as opposed to parking , even downloaded and forwarded there contracts (from the FOI) showing parking


    I really think someone is getting a back hander


    this is the latest reply


    "Further to your earlier email correspondence with my colleague Ms. Parmenter, I can advise you that ANPR Ltd have supplied a copy of their membership of The Credit Services association which is an ATA registered with DVLA. "




    truth or crap? is the Credit Services association registered or recognised by the DVLA?



    Last edited by enfield freddy; 21-05-2015 at 4:47 PM.
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    • bazster
    • By bazster 21st May 15, 4:52 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 4:52 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 4:52 PM
    It is indeed:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/390088/Website-Release_of_information_from_DVLA__2_.pdf

    BUT it's more smoke-and-mirrors. From the same document:

    "There are two ATA’s for the parking industry, the British Parking Association (BPA) and the Independent Parking Committee (IPC)."

    So for whatever reason DVLA has accredited the CSA, it's got the square root of naff all to do with parking! It's probably to do with tracing vehicle owners who fall behind on their HP or abscond with a leased vehicle or somesuch.

    I reckon you are right, palms are being greased.
    Je suis Charlie.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
    http://www.csa-uk.com/search/?search_term=ANPR+Ltd
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:02 PM
    but he is claiming trespass on land he does not own?


    I did find a couple of CSA links , and yes they are mainly for car MFG to contact owners of faulty cars
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 21st May 15, 5:13 PM
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    • #5
    • 21st May 15, 5:13 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:13 PM
    I guess this means that Trev is going to use this dubious route to get Keeper details for his tickets now. I bet the grounds breach whatever contracts there are between landowner/ANPR/CSA/DVLA. But the DVLA will happily to continue to knowingly and cynically break the law as there's money to be made, and bonuses/pensions to reap for the Chief Exec (who really ought to be in jail).
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 5:18 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:18 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:18 PM
    yup but more worrying is that ACE , etc are doing the same


    how long before all the companies registered with the BPA and the IPC jump ship , no appeals system to worry about , straight in with DCA and CC papers.


    a bad time ahead
    • bazster
    • By bazster 21st May 15, 5:27 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:27 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:27 PM
    That's the way it's heading, the DVLA is steadily undermining all controls and allowing a free-for-all.

    If Duffnasty wins his judicial review the floodgates will open: no need to be in an ATA, no need for appeals, that'll be £2.50 please, ride 'im cowboy!
    Je suis Charlie.
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 5:32 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:32 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:32 PM
    same question asked on another furum by me (pepipoo) and an interesting reply


    "Also read this;

    Additional measures for car parking companies
    Membership of an ATA has been a pre-requisite for all unregulated organisations
    who have an electronic link since October 2007. In response a consultation the
    requirement for ATA membership was extended, in November 2009, to include car
    parking management companies who request information via the paper base route.
    It ensures that all car parking management operate to same recognised standards.
    Membership of an ATA ensures that those who get access to data are legitimate
    companies that operate within a code of practice. The code of practice promotes fair
    treatment of the motorist and ensures that there is a clear set of standards for
    operators covering, among other things, signage, appeals processes, and methods
    of contacting drivers.
    DVLA has procedures in place to enable those dealing with requests to check
    whether a company is a member of an ATA. There are two ATA’s for the parking
    industry, the British Parking Association (BPA) and the Independent Parking
    Committee (IPC). Information on their codes of practice can be found on their
    websites.
    The ATA’s in the private parking section have both established independent appeals
    services. They cover all tickets issued on private land by the ATA members and are
    entirely funded by the parking sector. The BPA service is known as Parking on
    Private Land Appeals (POPLA) and the IPC service is known as the Independent
    Appeals Service (IAS). The company that issued the parking charge must supply
    details of how to refer an appeal to the relevant appeal service. "


    is parking , trespass or close?


    still worry about the ability to get details for trespass as a non owner of the land , and then use CC to gain (personal)
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 5:36 PM
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    • 21st May 15, 5:36 PM
    pranky now informed , blog to follow
    • Jim_AFCB
    • By Jim_AFCB 21st May 15, 5:52 PM
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    This needs to find its way into the government review thingy for anyone who has not yet contributed.....

    The new Communities secretary also needs to be informed.
    Bournemouth - home of the Mighty Cherries
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 6:01 PM
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    http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/property/other_property_law_topics/500447.html




    The law of trespass in relation to land is designed to protect an individual from unlawful interference by somebody else with his land.
    Trespassing on to somebody else’s land without a lawful excuse is an offence itself and is one of the rare forms of tort claims in which a claimant can bring a claim without having to prove any damage has occurred. However, it is not a criminal offence and so property owners must bring their claim in the civil courts.
    How to bring a trespass claim
    In order to bring a claim for trespass there must be direct and unjustifiable interference with somebody’s land. This can occur in a number of ways, with the most common example being jumping over a fence to retrieve a football, but can be as remote as interference from a low-flying aircraft so long as it is flying below a reasonable height.
    A seemingly obvious point, but one which has been the subject of several legal battles, is the fact that only a person in possession of the land is able to bring a claim for trespass. Therefore, if you merely have a licence to occupy the property you cannot bring a claim for trespass.
    More importantly, a common problem is the fact that a landlord cannot bring a claim for trespass when he has let out the property to a tenant. The tenant, by definition of a lease, will be in possession of the property and so it is the tenant that will be able to bring the claim for trespass.
    Defences to trespass
    Subject to the defences which we shall now address, it is quite simple to bring a claim for trespass; all that is needed is to show that there has been a direct and unjustifiable interference with the land and that the individual bringing the claim is in possession of the land.
    There are three main defences to trespass and they are as follows:
    1. Necessity: In order to assume the defence of necessity there must be an actual or reasonably perceived danger in relation to the course of action taken by the ‘trespasser’. A common example is if one person swings their car in order to avoid a crash and ends up on somebody else’s land. In theory they are trespassing as they are making a direct and unjustifiable interference with the land; they may also not have been in danger from the oncoming vehicle. However, there was certainly a perceived danger and so there will be no trespass. (However, it may be that if they caused damage there will be a different type of claim.)


    2. Licence: If you invite somebody onto your land then you have given them an implied licence and they are not therefore a trespasser. There are certain times when you will have given someone permission to enter your land, but only a certain part of it, and for a certain reason. Therefore, in these cases a claim for trespass is still possible.


    3. Legal justification: A clear example of legal justification is when a police officer enters your land under an appropriate warrant. It is quite clear that certain emergency services should be allowed onto your land to carry out activities which are in the public good.


    Criminal trespass
    Under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, it is an offence to trespass on Crown land (for example the Houses of Parliament, Buckingham Palace, Ministry of Defence sites) and doing so will result in a maximum fine of £5,000 and a prison sentence of up to six months.
    Also, trespassing on National Rail property is an offence which is punishable by a £1,000 fine.






    bring it on trev ,,
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 21st May 15, 6:24 PM
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    pranky now informed , blog to follow
    Originally posted by enfield freddy
    Blog up.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/anpr-ltd-get-keeper-details-using.html
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 6:26 PM
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    yup , just sent him my reply from Brian dodge , I expect the blog to be amended shortly and the local council have some explaining to do in the morning
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 6:28 PM
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    yup , just sent him my reply from Brian dodge , I expect the blog to be amended shortly and the local council have some explaining to do in the morning
    Originally posted by enfield freddy


    remember , there are ATAs , but there are only 2 PARKING ATAs registered with the DVLA
    • bazster
    • By bazster 21st May 15, 7:13 PM
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    yup , just sent him my reply from Brian dodge , I expect the blog to be amended shortly and the local council have some explaining to do in the morning
    Originally posted by enfield freddy
    What reply from Brian Dodge?
    Je suis Charlie.
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 7:26 PM
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    having it checked to see if it applies in this case , I think it does , goodnight trev,
    • Mike172
    • By Mike172 21st May 15, 7:32 PM
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    • 6022tivo
    • By 6022tivo 21st May 15, 7:58 PM
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    2. Licence: If you invite somebody onto your land then you have given them an implied licence and they are not therefore a trespasser. There are certain times when you will have given someone permission to enter your land, but only a certain part of it, and for a certain reason. Therefore, in these cases a claim for trespass is still possible.


    You insist on the first paragraph being important, but what about the bits in red here?
    The car park have invited the driver and car to enter the land, but for the reason of parking as per contract displayed?
    • enfield freddy
    • By enfield freddy 21st May 15, 8:25 PM
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    correct , however I don,t think it 1+2+3 = legal


    the first item says it all , you have to be the land owner , not a tenant or a hanger on,
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 21st May 15, 8:33 PM
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    Glad you decided to come back on the forum, Freddy.
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