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How hard is it to get a job having misconduct against you?
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well I just dont agree with that, but thats totally your choice. People deserve a second chance. We all make mistakes, yourself included. When I worked for RBS, one of my colleagues was sacked for gross misconduct because of his cash differences. Ok, maybe he should not work with cash again, but by your reasoning he would never get another job again. Who is to say that he would not be utterly fantastic at something else?
Kissit - you will be absolutely fine, even if you do get the sack. Like you say, you have another job that you can rely on. If you are working two jobs at the same time, cant you just put the NHS one down as your reference and ignore the other one if you do get sacked?
Agree with what you wish.
I am an employer and am speaking from an employers point of view. Therefore, am sure i have the same view on it as the vast majority of employers.
There are millions of trustworthy, hard working people out their wanting a chance so why would i chose someone with a chequered work history?
Do you have the opinion you do by being an employer or is it just an open opinion in general?
If you are an employer (which doesn't seem the case), i fear for your business integrity.
If you are not an employer, how can you disagree with a fact from someone that is one? Makes no sense at all.
Was your colleague at RBS sacked for mistakes or sacked for stealing? That would obviously make a difference. Saying that, even if it was a mistake, he proved he was poor at his job.
If it was stealing then no-one with any kind of intelligence would give him work. Once a thief, always a thief.0 -
he came to me three times and asked me the same question and snapped using the f word twice.i didnt threaten him or anything like that.
to me this is not a gross misconduct charge.0 -
Agree with what you wish.
I am an employer and am speaking from an employers point of view. Therefore, am sure i have the same view on it as the vast majority of employers.
There are millions of trustworthy, hard working people out their wanting a chance so why would i chose someone with a chequered work history?
Do you have the opinion you do by being an employer or is it just an open opinion in general?
If you are an employer (which doesn't seem the case), i fear for your business integrity.
If you are not an employer, how can you disagree with a fact from someone that is one? Makes no sense at all.
Was your colleague at RBS sacked for mistakes or sacked for stealing? That would obviously make a difference. Saying that, even if it was a mistake, he proved he was poor at his job.
If it was stealing then no-one with any kind of intelligence would give him work. Once a thief, always a thief.
I am speaking from experience. And no, he was not a thief. Poor at one job, yes, doesnt mean that he does not deserve to be given the chance and be fantastic at another job. And just for the record, all other employers (well, the big corporations that people actually want to work for) do not adopt the same attitude as you. If they did, the umemployment rate would be even higher than it is now.0 -
If I was interviewing the OP, I wouldn't class swearing at an employee, as Gross misconduct and definitely wouldn't hold it against him.
Theft or violence, I would take more seriously, but would like to see in what context
e.g a an old employee of mine was sexually harassed and after going down the official route and getting no where she rearranged his testicles with her knee at full force, and was consequently let go. I didnt hold that against her, each case on its own merits.
If he had the right skills for the job and the personality to fit the team he would be in.
see, this is the attitude that an employer should take, woody01. Are you worried about this persons business integrity?0 -
he came to me three times and asked me the same question and snapped using the f word twice.i didnt threaten him or anything like that.
to me this is not a gross misconduct charge.
Snapping and swearing at someone is construde as threatening.
Threatening behaviour is Gross Misconduct charge.
If you snap and start effing and blinding in a pub would you say that was threatening? I would and its the same thing.
I am sorry to say but this certainly looks as though you are about to receive a harsh lesson.
You previous good record and long service make no difference either.
Your only hope that i can see is if the fella you swore at speaks up for you. That seems unlikely though.0 -
But then again if you swore in a pub would you expect to get arrested for it? Perhaps if the person your swearing at was a police officer perhaps but if it wasn't and a police officer was present you'd probably just get a ticking off. It's not as if someone's going to shout call 999 someone's swearing, unfortunately swearing happens.
The previous place I worked at only one person ever got fired for gross misconduct and that was technically for theft. (he was talking scrap home and making good units :rolleyes:) But even he didn't have problems getting a new job. What you just have to say is that it was down to a problem between yourself and management, this line seems to be the employment equivilent of women's problems, it's one of those lines that people don't usually question and if they do just put your side over. Other employers do take into account that other employers can be ogres and sometime will take the employees view.0 -
I am speaking from experience. And no, he was not a thief. Poor at one job, yes, doesnt mean that he does not deserve to be given the chance and be fantastic at another job. And just for the record, all other employers (well, the big corporations that people actually want to work for) do not adopt the same attitude as you. If they did, the umemployment rate would be even higher than it is now.
I work for a VERY large corporation so your argument is dead immediately and you proved you have no idea what you are talking about.
The experience you have is certainly not senior management in a large and/or global company as the standards they use (rightly or wrongly) are a long way from your wish of perfect Utopia.
Can you not grasp that it has nothing to do with deserving anything?
It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that when a job is being given out, the BEST candidate gets the job. Unfortunately, the person that has Gross Misconduct on their record automatically falls down the pecking order.
Please consider your argument, and whether the morals of it are correct or not, you are definitely incorrect.0 -
well I just dont agree with that, but thats totally your choice. People deserve a second chance. We all make mistakes, yourself included. When I worked for RBS, one of my colleagues was sacked for gross misconduct because of his cash differences. Ok, maybe he should not work with cash again, but by your reasoning he would never get another job again. Who is to say that he would not be utterly fantastic at something else?
Kissit - you will be absolutely fine, even if you do get the sack. Like you say, you have another job that you can rely on. If you are working two jobs at the same time, cant you just put the NHS one down as your reference and ignore the other one if you do get sacked?
Ofcourse people deserve a 2nd chance... BUT if you have 20 applicants for a role and 10 are equally qualified and 9 of them don't have previous misconduct issues... guess who is likely to not be called for final interviews...
I used to run a team of over 20 people and did all the "hiring and firing" and no I'd never have hired anyone who had been fired as a result of misconduct etc...
The only time I'd think about it is if someone had in their foolish youth done something like take a fiver out the till and in my environment there would be no access to or handling of cash or other valuables... But if there had been several people going for the same role and all equally suited I'd probably still choose someone who didn't have "form"...DFW Nerd #025DFW no more! Officially debt free 2017 - now joining the MFW's!
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I work for a VERY large corporation so your argument is dead immediately and you proved you have no idea what you are talking about.
The experience you have is certainly not senior management in a large and/or global company as the standards they use (rightly or wrongly) are a long way from your wish of perfect Utopia.
Can you not grasp that it has nothing to do with deserving anything?
It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that when a job is being given out, the BEST candidate gets the job. Unfortunately, the person that has Gross Misconduct on their record automatically falls down the pecking order.
Please consider your argument, and whether the morals of it are correct or not, you are definitely incorrect.
you don't have a clue about me, what I have done or my experiences are, so how you feel you can judge me is amazing. Thank god I don't work for you or within the same organisation as you.0 -
I am speaking from experience. And no, he was not a thief. Poor at one job, yes, doesnt mean that he does not deserve to be given the chance and be fantastic at another job. And just for the record, all other employers (well, the big corporations that people actually want to work for) do not adopt the same attitude as you. If they did, the umemployment rate would be even higher than it is now.
I'm sorry but I have the same "attitude" and I come from a corporate background and I'm sorry but I entirely disagree with you!
As a manager and employee it was/is my duty to hold the interests of my company first - it is NOT in our interest to hire someone with "form" who may end up reoffending and causing a lot of hassle, HR problems and potentially having to be dismissed again - it's not cheap to hire people!
Taking a chance on someone who's already proven that they are unable to function in a work environment or behaving in a way that may not represent the company in a favourable light...
If i hired someone with a gross misconduct dismissal and they proceeded to do it again in my company then MY job would be in jepardy...DFW Nerd #025DFW no more! Officially debt free 2017 - now joining the MFW's!
My DFW Diary - blah- mildly funny stuff about my journey0
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