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Setanta Sports cancellation fiasco

The blurb says no minimum contract with freeview. I tried to cancel my account over the weekend - when I eventually got through on the phone, the assistant told me that you can only cancel during office hours Monday to Friday. So I phoned this morning at about 11am - recorded message said "we are very busy, phone back later" and the call was cut off. I tried another 3 times and finaly got to talk to someone at 4pm - assistant now told me that I have to cancel by writing to them- I told him that I had also emailed them my cancellation and asked to speak to a supervisor - he told me he was transferring me to the cancellations dept but the xxxhole just put me back on the music. At this rate they must be very attractive for takeover by that other "agreeable" broadband provider TorqueTorque!
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  • I have just phoned setanta to cancel and am told to phone back on Saturday or Sunday to cancel, even though I was told to phone no later than this Friday when I started my free trial.
    I was told by the woman (who would not give me her name, ID or anything to verify that I called them)on the phone that she Could not do anything until then and began attempting to hide behind a manager with no name and the data protection act... :confused:
    Eventually I got passed to a chap called 'Dan' who is the team leader, he said I had a minimum term of 30 days and cannot cancel until that is finished, although I was sat with the T&C's in my hand when he made this story up.
    He said he didn't have time to clarify exactly what part of the t&c's he was quoting but would phone me back(yeah right, i belive him).
    I will now write to them via recorded delivery and cancel my account and also cancel my credit card, as I can almost guarantee that they will try to take £20 once my 2 months free trial is finished (How's that £10 a month, no contract, getting up to £20 for the 3rd month!!!)
    I will let you know how I get on, but could have almost had a bet with Mr Hill that Setanta would try this caper out, what a bunch or spanners.

    Words of warning;
    Setanta offer rubbish programmes (other than the Liverpool matches) and via their preferred platform, freeview, only give you setanta sports1. Go via Sky and you get 1,2 & 3, Arsenil TV and liverpool TV, which would have been a little better I suppose.
    Do not take up their free trial, it is just a way of ripping you off by not letting you cancel your contract.
  • colmil
    colmil Posts: 1,462 Forumite
    Sounds to me as if Setanta are total amateurs, I honestly thought that they would do a deal with Sky but it appears not, I do miss the Sat pm and the Monday night match but I'm going to hang on and hope Sky come back in for it somehow.
    Filiss
  • Avoriaz
    Avoriaz Posts: 39,110 Forumite
    Jonboysez, you have my sympathy. I have had my fair share of those nightmare companies.

    I have Setanta on Sky and Talk Talk broadband too. Setanta has been fine for me so far but I have only had one call with them to register. I haven’t had to contact them since.

    Talk Talk has been an absolute nightmare, though it seems to have settled down now. At one stage I was dealing with the “High Level Complaints Dept” daily.
  • Terrylw1
    Terrylw1 Posts: 7,038 Forumite
    OMG the call centre manager from AOL must have moved to Setanta!

    Don't you just love those call centre agents that can't be bothered and just tell you to ring back. It's always bs unless it's really out of hours.
    :rotfl: It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!:rotfl:
  • Letter to Setanta:

    Please treat this letter as an official complaint, and please send me details of your complaints process, including escalation paths, and which ombudsman is relevant to your services.
    I have been trying to cancel my Setanta subscription since 4th October 2007, when I wrote to this address, as per your terms and conditions. As we were in the middle of a postal strike at the time, I also sent an email on 8th October. I followed this up with a telephone call to Sam in your call centre on the 9th of October, who confirmed that the service would be cancelled 30 days from the date of my letter, once the letter was received, and promised to note our conversation on my account (something which I specifically requested in an attempt to avoid the problems I have since experienced).
    Despite these three contacts notifying you of my intention to cancel, on 14th November you took another payment from my bank via direct debit, which I did not notice until today. I have now cancelled my direct debit with you, and hereby notify you of that. Please note that I have only taken this action after failing to get any semblance of sense during fifty minutes of calls with your company this evening (including hold time).
    This evening I called your customer service number 0871 2003322, and was told that you had not received my letter, and had no record of my call on 9th October. I did not take the name of the person I spoke to first (and doubt he has lognoted the call either), but he sounded disinterested and eventually transferred me to the queue for your Account Management team (which, unbeknownst to me, was about fifteen minutes long at that time).
    When made it through the queue, I spoke to Karly, who was very pleasant and friendly, but advised that it takes 28 days to process a cancellation, and that I should wait for my letter to be processed, as she is not empowered to backdate the cancellation. I pointed out that, even with the 28 days, the cancellation should have been processed by now, and asked to speak to her manager, in the hope that he may have the authority to backdate the cancellation. I then spoke to Karly’s manager Bryan Hall, who apparently had been on his lunch (possibly why he resented speaking to me?).
    I would like Bryan’s line manager to listen to that call, as Bryan really should not be speaking to customers. I will admit that I became irate with him, and eventually called him a muppet, but anyone with any call coaching experience will clearly hear that he drove this reaction by adopting an adversarial manner, talking over me, and basically trying to engineer a reason to terminate the call. I wouldn’t expect a front-line representative to have such poor customer care skills, let alone a manager.
    Bryan was not willing to backdate the cancellation, and took great offence when I used the word “claimed” whilst trying to explain to him that I did not feel that I should be penalised when, after making three contacts to you, all clearly stating my request to cancel, Setanta claimed not to have received my letter or telephone call. I had gotten as far as the word “claimed” when Bryan flew off the handle, became aggressive, and began driving the aforementioned deterioration of the call to a point where he could hang up on me.
    As I have explained to all four members of your staff today that I have a record of the 9th October call on my BT bill:
    Other £0.365
    Includes calls which do not fit into previous call categories.
    Date Time Destination Number Duration Cost (£) Called from
    09 Oct 14:23 Special Svce 0871 2003322 0000:03:41 0.365 XXXXXXXXXX
    (Nb. The above is pasted from a PDF file. A hard copy of this is being included in with the hard copy of this letter).
    I therefore do not accept Setanta's unreasonable claim that this call never happened. The fact that your agent Sam failed to detail the nature of the call is a failure of your processes, and clearly I should not be penalised for that. As I pointed out to your staff – how would I know that you had someone called Sam working at that time on that day? What else would I reasonably be calling about?
    After Bryan hung up on me, I called back in to complain about him, and was escalated to Darren Durie, who was polite and helpful, but ultimately, not empowered by your company to help me, or to resolve my cancellation issue. Darren has advised me to put my complaint in writing, hence this letter. It should be obvious to your Operations manager that, had Darren been empowered to help, or Bryan had some common sense, your company could have save the cost of processing this complaint. NOT a very effective use of your resources!
    I would like the following actions taken:
    1. Please cancel my subscription to the Setanta Sports Pack with effect from 2nd November 2007 (which is 30 days from the date of my original letter, dated 4th October 2007), and send me a cheque for the monies you owe me.
    2. I would like reimbursement for the cost of my call charges today, which I estimate at £5 to be added to the aforementioned cheque, as a minimum gesture of goodwill. I feel this is reasonable as the calls themselves, and their subsequent lengths, were only necessitated by the incompetence of your processes/staff/training/etc.
    3. I would like the cost of sending this letter by recorded delivery to be added to the amount of the aforementioned cheque. Recorded delivery has only been necessitated due to your claim that my letter dated 4th October was not received by you.
    4. I would like a written apology from Setanta.
    5. I would like a telephone call from Bryan’s line manager, once he has listened to the call, to tell me whether he thinks Bryan’s manner was appropriate or not.
    Finally, I would like to end by pointing out that, as I have pointed out to all your staff:
    1. Your business model is based around not tying customers to 12 month contracts, rather giving customers the ability to choose to sign up for the months when there is sport that they want to watch being shown (eg their football team is being shown).
    2. This flexibility only works if customers find it easy to order (achieved) and easy to cancel.
    3. There is already a significant amount of discussion on various Internet sites, warning subscribers to avoid Setanta due to the difficulty of cancelling the service.
    4. Anyone who reads the rapidly growing warnings on the Internet, or has had the negative experience of trying to cancel your service, will be unlikely to ever subscribe again, seriously undermining your business model as described in (1).
    So, your company will make some short term revenue gains because the initial option of “no contract” will attract business, and the ingress gained from your phone lines must be significant indeed - just look at the size of the queue for your Account Management (cancellations) department, not to mention the terrible processes and poor service, all of which increase your inbound call volume and call lengths.
    However, you will struggle to retain customers, to re-attract ex-customers, and your subscriber base will be significantly reduced by August 2008 at the latest, as the vast majority of those who signed up to watch Premier League football will have tried to cancel, had the negative experience, and resolved never to sign-up with you again. And they will have told their friends, business associates, the bloke in the pub, used you as an example at a business conference, the list is endless.
    Surely the sensible solution would be to fix your cancellation process, empower your staff, measure and target your staff as part of their KPIs to ensure that they provide a lognote for each call, and either train people like Bryan Hall in how to speak to customers, or manage them out of your business before they ruin it.

    Yours sincerely
  • lumpy_bum
    lumpy_bum Posts: 3,876 Forumite
    woah@ that letter:D
    im glad youre not sending that to me pmsl... i wouldnt know what to do:D
    good on ya!!!
    :cool:minds is willing , soul remains, this woman cannot be saved :cool:
    ;);););););););):A;);););););););)


  • nice letter, I hope you get the money you are owed

    I just emailed them and told them to cancel my contract, I have now cancelled the direct debit so we will see how I get on with that approach.
  • Im glad someone else has problems with setanta.

    I cancelled by letter posted 22.10.07 having been refused cancellation by email.

    I emailed on 9.11.07 to find out if the letter had been received and was advised that there was a backlog of correspondence they were dealing with.

    My effective date is 15 December and my direct debit has been cancelled so they will not receive any more money
  • The_Boss
    The_Boss Posts: 5,855 Forumite
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    I cancelled NASN in May and received written confirmation. They have charged me every month since.

    I only noticed the other day. The guy I spoke to confirmed they had received my letter in May. He then said "write to them at this address and there's a good chance they will refund you". I said "a good chance, you had better refund every penny", to which his response was "I'm not sure we can do that since you've had access to the service", even though I moved out of the property over a year ago!
  • deez99
    deez99 Posts: 38 Forumite
    Hi

    I've had problems with setanta also regarding cancellation.

    I think a recorded delivery letter is best.

    I'm also sending a copy to my bank with a proviso attached 'under no circumstances to re set up any D Debits from this firm without further notice or permission from me'

    Its theoretically quite possible for any firm or organisation who has originally been given permission to setup a DD to re submit a cancelled ( by you) DD and the Bank does not have to notify you, so beware poppickers ( sorry, old alan freeman dj saying, that ages me ;) )

    PS: Incidently, fantastic letter IanS2.

    Recognising setanta for the organisation they so obviously are I would imagine a small claims court venture to be soon in the offing.

    Best of luck
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