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Answer: "5 more years of Gordon Brown"
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LizEstelle wrote: »You're not concerned about patient outcomes and waiting times, then, which have improved out of sight since Camertoff last had any say in matters....?
You should come and talk to front line NHS staff........
They may like to put you right on a few facts.
Targets, targets, targets being one of them.
And the fines for not hitting them, that result in what?
Yes, that's right less money to spend on patient care.
Which numpty in Whitehall dreamt that one up........0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »You should come and talk to front line NHS staff........
They may like to put you right on a few facts.
Targets, targets, targets being one of them.
And the fines for not hitting them, that result in what?
Yes, that's right less money to spend on patient care.
Which numpty in Whitehall dreamt that one up........
Very nice. Have waiting times gone up or gone down?0 -
Do you think some people on here weaken their argument because they will not admit that anything has got better? For example there is a very good argument that the NHS has not improved enough considering the amount of money that has been ploughed into it but instead they say it hasn’t got better at all.0
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Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »Very nice. Have waiting times gone up or gone down?
Waiting times have most definately gone down.
However, they rose by quite a bit in 2009, and are still going up now.
I don't think anyone will state the NHS has not got better, but it's important to look at the amount of money this has taken. Money, which, is not sustainable and never would have been.
Postcode lotterys are a major problem at the moment though.0 -
Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »Very nice. Have waiting times gone up or gone down?
Waiting times have gone down. Is that a measurement of success?
You should find out how waiting times, particularly for A&E are maintained. It would shock you. The morale amongst staff is dropping steadily. People enter nursing to look after people, not juggle bureaucratic wishlists.
Come down to Swindon when the ambulances are queueing outside at extremely bust times, and they won't let the patients come in , as they'll start the 4 hour clock ticking.
Or the bed manager is sending patients home early to make room for someone else.
Should we be treating people as little more than animals in order to make the Government look good.
The majority of NHS trusts now running budget deficits. There's only one way that these are going to be resolved. So yes. The Government isn't going to cut funding, but the hospitals will be cutting services.0 -
Do you think some people on here weaken their argument because they will not admit that anything has got better? For example there is a very good argument that the NHS has not improved enough considering the amount of money that has been ploughed into it but instead they say it hasn’t got better at all.
The NHS is people. The issue is the way that the staff are treated. Good staff are able still to emigrate to Oz quite easily and many do.0 -
Announcing policy on forums now are we?
And RP - I did smile at your comments about no one voting for 'Tory austerity' on the same day that AD announced that the austerity measures over the next parliament would be much tighter than anything experienced under the nu-lab bete-noire Mrs T.
Don't worry, the voters are stupid and really will buy 'Don't vote for Tory austerity remember the dark times under Mrs T (oh and by the way we are planning on doing much worse)'Higher rate tax rate remains the same at 40%, though with a 50% rate at £100KI think....0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Waiting times have most definately gone down.
However, they rose by quite a bit in 2009, and are still going up now.
I don't think anyone will state the NHS has not got better, but it's important to look at the amount of money this has taken. Money, which, is not sustainable and never would have been.
Postcode lotterys are a major problem at the moment though.
No, no-one will state the NHS has not improved. It plainly has got better. But then given the vast amount of money thrown at it by the government it damn well should have done.
The problem with an over reliance on tractor stats is that they are a pretty blunt measure. Certainly they show an improvement on a superficial level but they do not look at the underlying performance issues. I think it says everything about Labours reliance on tractor stats that a very good point from Thrugelmir was dismissed with a stupid, unthinking, retort from a Labour stooge."There's no such thing as Macra. Macra do not exist."
"I could play all day in my Green Cathedral".
"The Centuries that divide me shall be undone."
"A dream? Really, Doctor. You'll be consulting the entrails of a sheep next. "0 -
LizEstelle wrote: »Question:
"In the forthcoming era of austerity, what would be better than electing a gang of old Etonians who have zero sympatico with the lives of ordinary people and whose idea of 'we're all in this together' includes welcoming on board rich, non-dom liars who deprive the NHS and education of hundreds of millions in tax avoidance?"
There you go, Camertoff. Answering your riddles is hardly the stuff of rocket science.
I believe both Labour and the Tories are a disaster for Britain. Both parties are 'bought' by various vested interests that I won't go into detail about here. All the MPs of these parties are 'cabs for hire' as Stephen Byers succintly put it. They are corrupt to the core and have no principles.0 -
Do you think some people on here weaken their argument because they will not admit that anything has got better? For example there is a very good argument that the NHS has not improved enough considering the amount of money that has been ploughed into it but instead they say it hasn’t got better at all.
Nothing has changed because the money has gone to line the pockets of GPs and consultants. Blair's bribe to keep the senior people happy - and rich.0
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