Answer: "5 more years of Gordon Brown"

Linton

sunshinetours wrote: »

Tax rates are much the same.

Got to that point and didn't bother anymore. Possibly one of the daftest things ever written on here (sadly). Couple that with the certain future tax rises and its even more laughable (not in a good way either)

What about some data.....

Since 1997 whilst RPI has increased by about 40%...
The tax free allowance has increased by 83%
The upper band for basic tax has increased by 50%

The basic rate of income tax has dropped from 24% to 20% but NI has increased (I cant find the historical data) but by less than the 4% required to compensate.

VAT remains the same at 17.5%

Higher rate tax rate remains the same at 40%, though with a 50% rate at £100K

Seems to me that as far as personal taxation is concerned compared with changes in the past this has been a period of stabililty.

LizEstelle

Oh and here's another one:

"What's better than having your public services in the hands of people who never use the NHS or state schools and will run them down at the first opportunity, recession or no recession?"


This really is great fun.

aelitaman

LizEstelle wrote: »

Oh and here's another one:

"What's better than having your public services in the hands of people who never use the NHS or state schools and will run them down at the first opportunity, recession or no recession?"


This really is great fun.

Camerons disabled son used the NHS extensively. It would have been cheaper for the tax payer if Cameron had treated his son privately.

Graham_Devon

LizEstelle wrote: »

Oh and here's another one:

"What's better than having your public services in the hands of people who never use the NHS or state schools and will run them down at the first opportunity, recession or no recession?"

This really is great fun.

May be fun, but it's rollox.

Ivan, Cameron's son, was treated in NHS hospitals before he sadly passed away.

Cameron also praised the NHS hospitals on television. Hardly ran them down.

Got any more? Your just sitting there telling us all you have absolutely no idea what ou are on about.

LizEstelle

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Liz, I don't know who you are trying to kid, apart from yourself.

We are still going through the details of the lobbygate scandal, one which was mostly focused on labour politicians.

BOTH parties are as bad as another. No matter how you wish to paint your picture.

Relying on such topics to put your point across is silly, as most people will see straight through it. It would be a refreshing change for a labour activist to talk about actual policy, without smoke and mirrors, and compare them rationally to the tories or lib dems, without the petty name calling.



Target's are easy to hit. I know, I work with them. Cancellations and re-bookings work quite well, as do initial assesments, before your actual appointment, to bring waiting lists down. That's 2 appointments instead of 1 by the way, but makes the wait look less as the initial appointment stops the wait.

Yes, waiting times are down. However, closures of local hospitals are way up. Cost's are also way up. There is always a trade off.

Local hospitals are closing because, as you well know, they are relatively inefficient, cannot offer the range of specialisms available in larger centres - and of course there is a huge move underway out into local treatment clinics and day services.

And the only reason Cameron had his son treated in the NHS was that the skills and facilities were not available in the private sector. Had they been, he would have been down to Harley Street like a shot, never fear.

Oh and regarding name calling, yes, I agree it is somewhat childish to imitate the style of the rabid Murdoch militant tendency...

... but it is such fun, especially to see the false rage provoked after they themselves have been doing this non-stop for a couple of years at least.

Don't you agree, dear Graham..?

aelitaman

LizEstelle wrote: »

Oh really... that'll come as a surprise to Unite.

Did you mean 'in hock to' as in £multimillions donated by Ashcroft to Camertoff and then keeping his key election role despite having lied..?

That kind of 'hock'?

Or did you mean the nice, sweet German wine which they drink all the time in Tory London clubs while maintaining how we are all in this 'together'..?

Charlie (privately educated at Ottershaw School modeled on Little Eton) Whelan has free access to Brown at No10 and he walks in and says "you want 11million quid for the Labour party? Unite want 150 of our Comrades in safe Labour seats including the husband of Harmen bypassing the all women shortlist rules she introduced.~"

Brown "Yes Charlie whatever you want."

Also do you think Blair would ever sanction a campaign like Crewe and Nantwich based on Tory Toffs.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Liz, I don't know who you are trying to kid, apart from yourself.

We are still going through the details of the lobbygate scandal, one which was mostly focused on labour politicians.

BOTH parties are as bad as another. No matter how you wish to paint your picture.

Relying on such topics to put your point across is silly, as most people will see straight through it. It would be a refreshing change for a labour activist to talk about actual policy, without smoke and mirrors, and compare them rationally to the tories or lib dems, without the petty name calling.



Target's are easy to hit. I know, I work with them. Cancellations and re-bookings work quite well, as do initial assesments, before your actual appointment, to bring waiting lists down. That's 2 appointments instead of 1 by the way, but makes the wait look less as the initial appointment stops the wait.

Yes, waiting times are down. However, closures of local hospitals are way up. Cost's are also way up. There is always a trade off.

I can only speak from personal experience and waiting times have come down.

Graham_Devon

LizEstelle wrote: »

Local hospitals are closing because, as you well know, they are relatively inefficient, cannot offer the range of specialisms available in larger centres - and of course there is a huge move underway out into local treatment clinics and day services.

Oh and regarding name calling, yes, I agree it is somewhat childish to imitate the style of the rabid Murdoch militant tendency...

... but it is such fun, especially to see the false rage provoked after they themselves have been doing this non-stop for a couple of years at least.

Don't you agree, dear Graham..?

Oh right. So your now saying that because local hospitals are largely inifficent, they should be axed and that's ok? This means people should have accidents betwene 10am and 4pm.

LOL, I do love a labour party activist. One minute they are against cuts. But if it's a cut labour has made, thats fine because it's an efficiency thing. If it's a cut anyone else is looking to make on the NHS, it's abhorrent.

Now see, this is the rub. Labour activists, just like yourself, have very recently been absolutely hammering and condeming a report from a think tank that said 30,000 beds could go from the NHS. See, this, to a labour activist wasn't seen as an inefficiency thing (which it is, as it's cheaper to do it locally), it was seen as cuts to the NHS, by the nasty toffs, who can afford private care and don't care about anyone else.

Yet the shut downs by labour. Purely an effciency thing.

You really ought to do yourself a favour, and at least try and get a little closer to the fence. Your posts are simply ridiculous and full of inconsistences.

Graham_Devon

LizEstelle wrote: »

And the only reason Cameron had his son treated in the NHS was that the skills and facilities were not available in the private sector. Had they been, he would have been down to Harley Street like a shot, never fear.

This has actually made me quite angry. It's just pure lies, and basically, what would be called libel.

Cameron has money. Firstly I'm sure that the private sector would have been able to offer their services, at a cost.

Secondly, if they couldn't do this in this country Cameron had the chance, like we all do, if we have the money, of using any service in the WORLD. One flight to America for instance. Hardly out of Cameron's budget.

He chose to use the NHS, and your twisting of the real truth has really grated me on that one. One minute you are saying they will run them down and won't use them. When corrected, you simply resort to mistruth's and basic libel.

You aint doing the labour party ANY favours.

kabayiri

We should understand that there are plenty of people in the UK who see the world in a simplistic fashion like Liz does.

This is perhaps why Labour might cling on.

If I was unemployed, with no real chance of a decent job, and relied on booze & fags, then I'd probably vote for whoever kept me stocked up with them.