Are they taking this as notice of ownership?

Geoff1963 · 24 July 2017 at 11:02PM

Is the photograph of the car, good enough to show that the permit is a photocopy ?

pappa_golf · 24 July 2017 at 11:41PM

COPY. A copy is a true transcript of an original writing.
2. Copies cannot be given in evidence, unless proof is made that the originals, from which they are taken, are lost, or in the power of the opposite party; and in the latter case, that notice has been given him to produce the original. See 12 Vin. Abr. 97; Phil. Ev. Index, h.t.; Poth. Obl. Pt. 4, c. 1, art. 33 Bouv. Inst. n. 3055. 3. To prove a copy of a record, the witness must be able to swear that he has examined it, line for line, with the original, or has examined the copy, while another person read the original. 1 Campb. R. 469. It is not requisite that the persons examining should exchange, papers, and read them alternately. 2 Taunt. R. 470. Vide, generally, 3 Bouv. Inst. n. 3106-10; 1 Stark. R. 183; 2 E. C. L. Rep. 183; 4 Campb. 372; 2 Burr.1179; B.N.P.129; 1 Carr. & P. 578. An examined copy of the books of unincorporated banks are not, per se, evidence. 12 S. & R. 256. See 13 S. & R. 135, 334; 2 N. & McC. 299.

Richard_Snowden · 25 March 2018 at 10:22PM

I'm back..

Having spent the last six months collecting demand letters (there must be twenty of them) from PPS and DRP, I have now been written to by Gladstones Solicitors asking for £480.

They quote the Beavis V Parking eye case and state that their client (PPS) has the option to commence proceedings in the appropriate civil court.

They've asked me to contact debt recovery plus to make the payment.

This is just another begging letter right?

KeithP · 25 March 2018 at 11:05PM

Richard_Snowden wrote: »

This is just another begging letter right?

Yes, that's right. This one too is from DRP. File it with the rest.

The_Deep · 26 March 2018 at 10:44AM

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.

Richard_Snowden · 26 March 2018 at 11:01AM

The_Deep wrote: »

complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.

Would I have to complain to my MP or the MP for the constituency in Plymouth?

This whole ordeal has taken up enough of my time already and given the evidence and seemingly unjust ticketing of the vehicle, I am reluctant to give it any more.

Umkomaas · 26 March 2018 at 11:29AM

Would I have to complain to my MP or the MP for the constituency in Plymouth?

Your own, but if you're using email, why not just copy in the other MP, it's no real additional effort.

http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

Loadsofchildren123 · 26 March 2018 at 12:31PM

Personally, I would set myself up for applying for an unreasonable costs order and every time I got one of these letters, I'd write the same reply:

Dear Sirs

I have received another letter from agents acting on your behalf, this time [name of dodgy debt collector], dated x.

As stated in my previous letters [set out all dates], I cannot be liable for any parking charge because:
a) the driver complied with the terms and conditions set out on your signage (there is no definition on that signage as to what constitutes a "valid" permit)
b) your signage did not apply to the bay in which the vehicle was actually parked (there was another sign in that bay, which read "........")

Receiving multiple letters from different entities acting on your behalf, alleging a debt and threatening me with the consequences of a CCJ, constitutes harassment under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997, pursuant to which a claim for damages may be brought. Please stop harassing me and instruct your agents to stop writing to me.

Please also cease "processing and retaining" my data, pursuant to the Data Protection Act.

Given that you have failed to reply to any single letter I have sent you, please be quite clear that if you issue a claim against me, I will seek a punitive costs order against you and I will rely on this correspondence as evidence.

Yours faithfully
Angry Car Owner

Just send it every time. I know the general forum advice is not to engage, but I think that where the claim is a load of old rubbish (it's not always so clear) this sets you up for a costs claim.

Coupon-mad · 26 March 2018 at 12:46PM

Brilliant idea LOC123!

Might need to amend the a) or b) in this case, given that the bay in question creates no contract with the PPC at all.

And how come one PCN has escalated to close to £500?

Richard_Snowden · 26 March 2018 at 1:06PM

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Brilliant idea LOC123!
And how come one PCN has escalated to close to £500?

Thanks for this. I've amended the points and sent it to them.

The fines they are seeking are the accumulation of three separate tickets. The driver left the vehicle there for three days whilst working in the city, only to find the drivers window littered with these on their departure.

Are they taking this as notice of ownership?

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