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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    kelpie35 wrote: »
    SNP are only interested in becoming independent.

    For all the years they have been elected they have not done the job of helping me or the rest of the people of Scotland.

    They are not interested in doing their job or caring for those that are stupid enough to believe a word that come out of Sturgeon's mouth, she is just hot air.

    Come on you clever people of Scotland show Sturgeon that we are not being fooled any longer.

    Go Ruth Go

    I understand, your anti-SNP, but could you be more specific on the issues or failures your highlighting?

    You seem pro Ruth Davidson.
    I'm going to do a bit of digging, but I recall a lot of instances of Ruth Davidson clocking and changing stance on issues for the people of Scotland
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    You seem pro Ruth Davidson.
    I'm going to do a bit of digging, but I recall a lot of instances of Ruth Davidson clocking and changing stance on issues for the people of Scotland

    Here's an interesting flip flop

    Tories would not block a second referendum: Davidson
    But the Scots Tory leader suggested a future Conservative government would respect a Holyrood vote for a second referendum.

    .........

    "There is an absolute precedent that has been set down and I do not deviate from that precedent."

    Asked if she would advise David Cameron to block another referendum, she said: "Absolutely not."

    Seems she is one for deviating
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • .string.
    .string. Posts: 2,733 Forumite
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    paparossco wrote: »
    Sorry could you clarify this for me? Are you talking about the Supreme Court?
    Thanks.

    Sorry I was not clear.

    Shakey has opined that Sturgeon is planning to take the UK Government to court for some reason which is still not known, at least outside the SNP inner circle. I interpret what has been written openly so far that the court process she has in mind would be the whole gamut / ladder of courts from Scottish Courts through the UK Supreme Court to the The European Court of Justice or even The International Court of Justice; of course I don't know anything for a fact, it just seems to be a logical conclusion on what had been insinuated. So just speculation really.

    Even if that does not make the situation clearer, I hope it explains the context of what I wrote.
    Union, not Disunion

    I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
    It's the only way to fly straight.
  • .string.
    .string. Posts: 2,733 Forumite
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    On the timing, the SNP had discussed this possibility before the referendum vote.
    Before a decision was made. Its a little disingenuous to suggest it was deliberately contrived to damage the negotiations. I also thought "hostile acts" was disingenuous as well as no force has been used as far as I'm aware. Hence, why there is an agreement for IndyRef2 to be held once the Brexit negotiations are completed and the details known Not as I recall. TM and NS met and agreed the timing should be post Brexit negotiations which at the time was anticipated to be between Oct 2018 and March 2019 Agreed Politically and morally correct in what stance?
    I've already explained and that was enough. I don't have TT's laudable patience.
    Union, not Disunion

    I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
    It's the only way to fly straight.
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    kelpie35 wrote: »
    SNP are only interested in becoming independent.

    Go Ruth Go

    First Minister questions was very interesting
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08rd4cm/scottish-first-ministers-questions-05052017

    especially from 8:15 - 9:16
    If Education was any priority to the conservatives, their latest leaflet: -
    • Mentions Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP or Independence 43 times
    • Mentions Ruth Davidson or the Conservatives 9 times, one of those her signature
    • Mentions their policies on Education 0 times

    In this election, the Tories haven't put forward a single policy on our schools, on social care, our roads, on transport on anything.

    They have a constitutional obsession

    It seems Ruth Davidson literally considers an opposition party is there to oppose everything
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    .string. wrote: »
    I've already explained and that was enough. I don't have TT's laudable patience.

    Fair enough, you raise a point on timing, I respond to that and you offer no redress.

    It would seem that there is no issue on the timing then or indeed a hostile act to disrupt the negotiations
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    Indeed the below graph would indicate that not only was Scotland faring better in shis statistic, but the only region improving over the same timeframe

    Since 1996 Scotland's population has only grown by around 283,000. Somewhat easy to manage. ;)

    Has the average life expectancy improved at all in the same period?
  • paparossco
    paparossco Posts: 294 Forumite
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    .string. wrote: »
    Sorry I was not clear.

    Shakey has opined that Sturgeon is planning to take the UK Government to court for some reason which is still not known, at least outside the SNP inner circle. I interpret what has been written openly so far that the court process she has in mind would be the whole gamut / ladder of courts from Scottish Courts through the UK Supreme Court to the The European Court of Justice or even The International Court of Justice; of course I don't know anything for a fact, it just seems to be a logical conclusion on what had been insinuated. So just speculation really.

    Even if that does not make the situation clearer, I hope it explains the context of what I wrote.

    Thank you, I thought you might be mistaken in saying that the UK Suprene Court was an 'English' Court. I understand your point now.
    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
    Wayne Dyer
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    edited 9 May 2017 at 11:14PM
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Since 1996 Scotland's population has only grown by around 283,000. Somewhat easy to manage. ;)

    Has the average life expectancy improved at all in the same period?

    A little simplistic as they are averages and thus factor in the populations and expenditure.
    Of course we could also open up discussion on rurality and access as well.

    Of course your point would then indicate that Wales and NI must be vastly in a worse position given their populations in comparison to Scotland.

    You do raise an interesting point on population growth, which I have said before is important toward the growth of the Scottish economy, hence why limitations on immigration is viewed differently in Scotland as it is in England.

    Your also not debating the fact (other than claiming its easier to manage), which would appear to question the validity of shaka's link stating that All services are worse in Scotland.

    Thats just the first one I briefly looked into
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    A little simplistic as they are averages and thus factor in the populations and expenditure.

    Might be simplistic. The town close to where I live. Is estimated to have grown by 48,000 since 2001. An increase of 26.5% in 16 years. Hardly surprising that there's pressure on local services. A town planners nightmare in fact.
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