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The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times
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Most are totally overused, too many people.
This surely then is a matter of there not being enough of them, rather than too many people. Like houses and their associated occupancy rates and prices, not enough supply rather than too much demand.
It does seem to me sometimes that the capacity argument against immigration seems to be locked into the idea that we have maxed ourselves out in terms of roads, housing and services.If you think of it as 'us' verses 'them', then it's probably your side that are the villains.0 -
With regards to the question over why people vote UKIP, I backup everything that was previously stated.
However, my other reason, and I voted UKIP in the EU elections, is that we appear to have a massive problem in this country with taxation.
For example, companies such as Starbucks and Amazon place themselves here, sell here, but pay tax in another country. I want us, the UK to be able to benefit from this taxation. Some say they will just leave, but I honestly can't see any of these companies leaving, afterall, they have a presence in nearly the entire world under various tax regimes. So it makes no sense to say they will leave.
I want borders controlled. I don't wan to see immigration stopped, just controlled. A system such as Australias would seem very sensible.
But most of all, I want a voice. I've never had a say on the EU. Even those who did have a say suggest they never voted for this.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Immigrants come everywhere. DH and I are in wiltshire. My mother is somewhere else in sw. The hospital staffed my immigrants mainly I mentioned is also in sw somewhere else.
I'm just pondering - the same as Robert Peston -It is striking that London, where immigration is such a huge element in the economy, was relatively barren ground for UKIP. That may imply the threat to living standards and quality of life of immigration is more in the perception than the reality.0 -
This surely then is a matter of there not being enough of them, rather than too many people. Like houses and their associated occupancy rates and prices, not enough supply rather than too much demand.
It does seem to me sometimes that the capacity argument against immigration seems to be locked into the idea that we have maxed ourselves out in terms of roads, housing and services.
It depends on whether you think just ever increasing population and supply is the answer. Most low skilled immigrants are unlikely to pay enough tax to fund the public services they use.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
I want borders controlled. I don't wan to see immigration stopped, just controlled. A system such as Australias would seem very sensible.
But most of all, I want a voice. I've never had a say on the EU. Even those who did have a say suggest they never voted for this.
Sort of sums up my thinking. Cannot see why it is not a universal view.0 -
Most low skilled immigrants are unlikely to pay enough tax to fund the public services they use.
And yet the UK profits from EU immigrants quite heavily, as they use less in public services than they contribute in tax.
EU immigrants subsidise the native born. Not the other way around.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »However, my other reason, and I voted UKIP in the EU elections, is that we appear to have a massive problem in this country with taxation.
For example, companies such as Starbucks and Amazon place themselves here, sell here, but pay tax in another country. I want us, the UK to be able to benefit from this taxation. Some say they will just leave, but I honestly can't see any of these companies leaving, afterall, they have a presence in nearly the entire world under various tax regimes. So it makes no sense to say they will leave.
I'm no tax expert but I'm not understanding the connection between leaving the EU and CT?Graham_Devon wrote: »I want borders controlled. I don't wan to see immigration stopped, just controlled. A system such as Australias would seem very sensible.
Why?Graham_Devon wrote: »But most of all, I want a voice. I've never had a say on the EU. Even those who did have a say suggest they never voted for this.
Why? Voted for what? What exactly is it that bothers you?0 -
It depends on whether you think just ever increasing population and supply is the answer. Most low skilled immigrants are unlikely to pay enough tax to fund the public services they use.
Again Robert PestonThe influx of low-wage, hard-working immigrants - and some high-skilled ones - has probably bolstered our economic recovery by improving corporate competitiveness, and helped the government pay down its excessive debts (because these migrants tend to pay more in tax than they take out in benefits and use of the welfare state).0 -
Sort of sums up my thinking. Cannot see why it is not a universal view.
Because many of us know you're using it as an excuse because what you really want is to drastically reduce the numbers of immigrants.
And that would be catastrophic for the economy and society.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
setmefree2 wrote: »I'm just pondering - the same as Robert Peston -
36% of London voters are foreigners
add in those that are the (voting) children of foreigners then maybe the puzzle isn't so great0
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