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Immigrants & Benefits
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What about no entry without proof of a job?
If the job fails within a certain time, the employer has to pay any expenses.
Similar to the Australian system.
Which would completely defeat the objective of free labour market access. So no, of course not.
People should be able to come here and look for work. Finding a job from overseas is extremely difficult, and would no doubt reduce immigration.
We need more immigration, not less.
If your concern is benefits, then by all means, cut them if such a deal can be done. Immigrants aren't coming here for that anyway, so makes no difference.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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Matey, I've started your own thread for your obsession!0
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Hamish, how about this evidence?Immigration has become highly significant to the UK economy: immigrants comprise 12% of the total workforce—and a much higher proportion in London.
However, we have found no evidence for the argument, made by the Government, business and many others, that net immigration—immigration minus emigration— generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population.
Overall GDP, which the Government has persistently emphasised, is an irrelevant and misleading criterion for assessing the economic impacts of immigration on the UK. The total size of an economy is not an index of prosperity. The focus of analysis should rather be on the effects of immigration on income per head of the resident population. Both theory and the available empirical evidence indicate that these effects are small, especially in the long run when the economy fully adjusts to the increased supply of labour. In the long run, the main economic effect of immigration is to enlarge the economy, with relatively small costs and benefits for the incomes of the resident population.Many businesses and public services at present make use of the skills and hard work of immigrants. But this is not an argument for immigration on a scale which exceeds emigration and thus increases the population of the country. We do not support the general claims that net immigration is indispensable to fill labour and skills shortages. Such claims are analytically weak and provide insufficient reason for promoting net immigration. Vacancies are, to a certain extent, a sign of a healthy economy. Immigration increases the size of the economy and overall labour demand, thus creating new vacancies. As a result, immigration is unlikely to be an effective tool for reducing vacancies other than in the short term.
And this in response to your GDP nonsense...The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) estimated
that immigration during the period 1998–2005 contributed to a rise in real
GDP of about 3%. However, the research by the NIESR also suggests that
immigrants during that period made up 3.8% of the population, which
suggests that immigration had a slightly negative impact on GDP per capita.
Infact, theres loads in there that directly says there is no evidence of most of your claims.
I'll give you the link again, you'll probably need it, after ignoring it last time. From Parliament by the way, not a blog on a newspaper...
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/82.pdf0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »From Parliament by the way, not a blog on a newspaper...
From a group of 12 peers, so hardly from "Parliament".
And I already posted the official Government report in the other thread.
The one that notes immigrants actually benefit the economy, don't steal jobs, and increase the wages of native born population.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
But the actual evidence, and data, is overwhelming that immigration is a net benefit to the country.
Are you still here?
No, the evidence is not overwhelming that immigration is of a net benefit to the country - it doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.0 -
I'm sure theres many a british citizen prepared to pick Brussel sprouts,instead of claiming dole.Official MR B fan club,dont go............................0
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »From a group of 12 peers, so hardly from "Parliament".
I think it is an interesting report Hamish. It isn't from 12 random peers, it is from the Select Committee on Economic Affairs. The 12 peers in question are:
Lord Best, who has an extensive background in social housing
Brian Griffiths, former investment banker at Goldman Sachs and Tory Peer
Lord Kingsdown - former governor of the Bank of England
Norman Lamont - former chancellor
Nigel Lawson - former chancellor
Lord Layard - director of economic performance at the LSE
Gus MacDonald - former chair of Scottish Media Group
John MacGregor - former head of the house and man responsible for BR privatisation
Lord Moonie
Lord Oakeshott - Lib Dem critic of current government policy
Lord Paul - Indian born entrepreneur and one of the richest people in Britain
Lord Sheldon - former Financial Secretary to the Treasury
Lord Skidelsky - economic historian
Adair Turner - FSA chair
Lord Vallance - Lib Dem spokesperson for Trade and Industry and businessman, on supervisory board of Siemens
Lord Wakeham - former Energy Secretary
I'd like to have seen a few women on there and possibly fewer Scots;) but you can't argue with their experience.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »From a group of 12 peers, so hardly from "Parliament".
What exactly do you want?
Random people writing blogs in newspapers appears to be enough for you, but a group of 12 peers isn't enough!?0 -
And also, how is this explained, when you have been telling us through differently?The overall employment rate of immigrants (68%) is lower than that of UK born persons (about 75%), but the gap has been declining in recent years.0
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Graham_Devon wrote: »What exactly do you want?
Random people writing blogs in newspapers appears to be enough for you, but a group of 12 peers isn't enough!?
Eh?
So far in this thread, I've quoted the LSE, NIESR, CEBR, BCC and The UK Government.
IN addition to numerous Academics and independent Economists.
Why would you try to portray that as "random people writing blogs in newspapers"?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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