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But who are you to dictate who MSE give "offical capacity" to?maybe you should re-read my OP,i only object to the official capacity they have been given,this from a company(atos)who have used their legal powers to close at least one critical website,i think you`ll find its atos that like to dictate not I
just to add i find it hard to read on this thread about scarmongering re:atos,i suspect those who have been on the receiving end would not describe it as such
ATOS closed down one critical site? Is this fact or just hearsay. Do you not think that Martin Lewis and his team think very hard about who they give their seal of approval to.
Think about things rationally for a moment.I made a mistake once, believeing people on the internet were my virtual friends. It won't be a mistake that I make again!0 -
A risk assessment, some people just shouldn't have the internet.I do look forward to their answers though, including was a risk assessment done, to see if it would put vunerable people of posting, do they have permission, what is their exact role, and the others I have asked..I made a mistake once, believeing people on the internet were my virtual friends. It won't be a mistake that I make again!0 -
I'm sure the E-On Company representative on the Energy Board only gives company policy as answers; as do all the Bank Company representatives on the Money Boards.
Why should Atos have to to be different? What else can they say?
And to be honest, if people are 'scared' to post because of an ATOS representative being on the board, then that is not the fault of this representative who, AFAIK, has only made two harmlessl posts and taken loads of abuse for doing so.
It's a witch hunt really.
You probably won't need to 'run them out of town', they will go of their own accord. I would. I would not want to give up my free time to offer advice only to receive abuse in return. (AKA HRH_MUngo)
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Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology: Terry Eagleton0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »So what is wrong with standard responses? They can't say on a forum whether someone is going to pass their medical or not, nor comment on individual cases.
Accurate standard responses are certainly better than some of the scaremongering rubbish that people write on here.
Nothing is wrong with a standard response, if the response itself is
a) accurate
b) meaningful
c) relavent
d) truthful
As for scaremongering nonsense, there is little of that on mse, only the claims of bonuses etc that cannot be proved either way mainly.
Care to show examples of 'scare mongering nonsense' so we can see what you are referring to, or are you yourself posting scare mongering nonsense?[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »I'm sure the E-On Company representative on the Energy Board only gives company policy as answers; as do all the Bank Company representatives on the Money Boards.
Why should Atos have to to be different? What else can they say?
And to be honest, if people are 'scared' to post because of an ATOS representative being on the board, then that is not the fault of this representative who, AFAIK, has only made two harmlessl posts and taken loads of abuse for doing so.
It's a witch hunt really. You probably won't need to 'run them out of town', they will go of their own accord. I would. I would not want to give up my free time to offer advice only to receive abuse in return.
Loads of abuse?
Hardly.
Besides they are a rep for a healthcare company, which has many medical professionals working for them - medical professionals that have a duty of care not to bring the medical profession into disrepute.
They should be posting to address peoples concerns.
They are the ones so far remaining silent, when many, many questions that should be answered - FAIR questions,questions that are highly important - remain unanswered.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »I would. I would not want to give up my free time to offer advice only to receive abuse in return.
I give up my free time to post on here.
I receive loads of abuse on a regular basis, sometimes far worse than what the atos rep has been exposed to.
If I can respond, why cant a person with a entire legal team, and multitudes of support behind them?[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
i think the postie in this story sums up ATOS
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigations/2011/02/sick-who-gives-atos.html
they play the tune of the person writing the cheques
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There's a certain irony that this poster doesn't even need to be named yet I suspect most regulars know who it is.Welshwoofs wrote: »I have to agree with all the above.
I have never had any dealings with ATOS myself and understand that some people feel they've had rough justice at their hands however there's also no doubt that there are many postings about ATOS on these boards that stray well beyond personal anecdotes and into the realm of sweeping defamatory statements. One poster (and no doubt he'll read this thread at some point as it's his pet subject) happily admits to tracking down ATOS employees on Facebook to see if they are saying anything 'inappropriate' he can put in a complaint about.
Perhaps the presence of an official ATOS rep will lead to more balanced, rational debate instead of what we have now...which appears to be a small group of people engaging in highly politicised scare-mongering.0 -
The benefit of their experience springs to mind. Which reminds me, what is your experience of the assessments?It's not surprising that Atos would put someone on this site - this is the only site I've encountered where they get anyone to 'massage' their ego (wrongly, in my opnion).
But I don't know to what end - I don't see what could be learned from him, since his company's not exactly noted for accountability.
They wouldn't do this on any other site, and that's because they'd get very short shrift on any other.0 -
quidsinquentin wrote: »I'm a bit torn on this issue now.
I can't throw in my MSE membership because MSE doesn't 'delete' memberships, so I can't really express my complete disapproval.
On the other hand, I'm at a loss to see what, exactly, an 'Official Company Representative' of ATOS is going to say...or not say.
Are they going to repeat and confirm company policies? Of course, they're hardly likely not to are they? Are they going to deny scurrilous rumours? Of course, they're hardly likely to confirm them are they? Are they going to give an insight into how well-meaning and professional the company is? Very probably.
Perhaps we'll get insights into how the processes/interviews work, possibly by hearing about sample interviews? Well, no not really, because individual cases can't be commented on. Will they engage in public debate about the fairness or otherwise of the ATOS/ESA process that seems to have gripped some of the media, or perhaps how the ESA questionnaire was arrived at? Can't see it myself.
In which case we'll perhaps get some answers to or valuable insight into....what?
Will they be keeping an eye on who is saying what on the forums?
Ooh, good question.
One thing is for certain - we won't get anything valuable or compromising.
Evasiveness and failure to account for ridiculous decisions we'll get in spades - their usual pattern.0
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