Tent thread

mynameisdave wrote: »

have engaged in 'troll' behavior reproducing peoples personal details and members post on other forums etc ( even if they have no bearing on this issue)

Pot, meet kettle........

I notice that after something of a contratemps on the "Kiya Survivors" FB page yesterday, since deleted, that Ms Butler has removed not only the comments about the tenant's immigration status and being "!!!!!" but also that the Kiya Survivors link has disappeared. I can only think that the charity now wants to distance itself from its founder, not before time imo.

john539 wrote: »

If she had put as much energy into becoming a landlord as they have in last 2 weeks, she'd never be in this mess.

Hear hear!

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

I think they are waiting for the rain to ease before they do the car chase scene.

I'm sat here thinking they just simply can't get through a scene without keeping a straight face.

Wonder if they bring out the DVD if there'll be any easter eggs heehee

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Sounds like sound, professional advice in all the circumstances (-:

I must admit I'm astounded that they just simply haven't listened. Or have they been told but simply ignored it.

am beginning to wonder if narcissism is hereditary ?

mynameisdave wrote: »

<snip> hope we can have a more sensible dialogue in the future


Thanks
Gary

Gary ? I don't remember a Gary ? (tis late though and I'm sleepy).

Pr1madonna wrote: »

I notice that after something of a contratemps on the "Kiya Survivors" FB page yesterday, since deleted, that Ms Butler has removed not only the comments about the tenant's immigration status and being "!!!!!" but also that the Kiya Survivors link has disappeared. I can only think that the charity now wants to distance itself from its founder, not before time imo.

I must admit I do find her charitable work commendable. I do also find her all "hey look how great I am doing this". Nice to be able to do such things when lifestyle supported oooh so very well.

True heroes are like a friend I knew 17 years ago. She went on holiday somewhere (shameful of me but I can't actually remember where :O !!) anyway it broke her heart when she saw the suffering of the children there. She came back to jack in her nursing job, sold her possessions, went back and afaik she's never left since.


Nearly Legal team - if you're reading this. Please put us out of our misery. Track down Carmen and get this sorted please (pro bono of course *smiles as sweetly as possible*)

Yes, it would be interesting to find out if the Carmen Nobre will take legal action against her landlord for the breach of quiet enjoyment of the property, harassment and illegal eviction.

It would also be interesting to find out if Suzy Butler is taking legal action against her tenant for the alleged arrears and whether the allegations of extensive arrears with a previous landlord have any substance. The alleged sum of rent arrears in the recent past by this tenant across two different properties has been cited as in excess of £11,000 which in local market rent terms, means the tenant owes around a year's worth of rent,! (though this could include court fees on top.)

Also, it would be interesting to know if the tenant received any LHA during the alleged periods of rent arrears which wasn't passed onto the landlord. The maximum rate of LHA for a 2 bedroom property in Brighton and Hove is £843 per month.

Jowo wrote: »

Yes, it would be interesting to find out if the Carmen Nobre will take legal action against her landlord for the breach of quiet enjoyment of the property, harassment and illegal eviction.

It would also be interesting to find out if Suzy Butler is taking legal action against her tenant for the alleged arrears and whether the allegations of extensive arrears with a previous landlord have any substance. The alleged sum of rent arrears in the recent past by this tenant across two different properties has been cited as in excess of £11,000 which in local market rent terms, means the tenant owes around a year's worth of rent,! (though this could include court fees on top.)

Also, it would be interesting to know if the tenant received any LHA during the alleged periods of rent arrears which wasn't passed onto the landlord. The maximum rate of LHA for a 2 bedroom property in Brighton and Hove is £843 per month.

Yes, Jowo, tenants should pay their rent in full and on time: I don't think I've seen any posts which suggest otherwise.

Whilst it will be interesting to read of the full *facts* behind this case ( if we ever do) , regardless of whether there are substantial rent arrears involved let's remember that the main reason this case has attracted so much attention is that, instead of fully acquainting herself with LL & T law prior to letting out her property, Ms Butler appears to have been slapdash in her lettings preparation and then chose to behave in a totally unprofessional manner when things went belly-up for her. For her then to act as if she was homeless, in order to garner support for the way she treated her T, was utterly nauseating, and an insult to those who genuinely struggle for somewhere to live.

As has been said many times, both in this thread and in the one which unfortunately got deleted, LLs cannot be seen to get away with harassing their Ts in the full glare of the personally invited media, mis-describing their T's true legal status & applying pressure on them to relinquish a periodic tenancy afforded to them under the HA.

Earlier this year a magistrate - ie, someone who really *ought* to have known better - was convicted of illegal evicting her T, apparently after a row about rent payments: add this sort of behaviour from LLs to the attempts over the past year by some LLs/LAs to publicly shame errant Ts - see a previous occupant of NL's Naughty Step - and it all presents a rather unpalatable picture. Quite apart from LL& T law, it is an offence to harass debtors:

Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act

“S40 Punishment for unlawful harassment of debtors.

1. A person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under a contract he-
   • harasses the other with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency, or the manner or occasion of making any such demand, or of any threat or publicity by which any demand is accompanied, are calculated to subject him or members of his family or household to alarm, distress or humiliation;

THe LL needs to (a) know the law and (b) be seen to work within it when resolving rent arrears issues and dealing with evictions. No ifs, no buts.

There is a huge number of " accidental" LLs out there and no doubt many of them will feel that having watched Suzy B and GMTV they can take matters entirely into their own hands, should their own Ts give them any sort of grief.

Tenant harassment is a criminal offence, and for good reason.