We're aware that some users are experiencing technical issues which the team are working to resolve. See the Community Noticeboard for more info. Thank you for your patience.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Sutton's default removal letters

Options
11112141617125

Comments

  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    azza2007 wrote: »
    Update on my case - I have just received a letter from Halifax Customer Relations department basically saying they are not going to remove my default and under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 there is no requirement for the bank to provide a signed and certified copy of the original default notice issued under the loan agreement.

    The letter also says this is the final response from the Bank in regard to this matter and that I can refer my concerns to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

    So is this the next step I should take and contact the Financial Ombudsman ?

    Thanks

    Aaron

    Mate, they have to supply a true copy, not a signed and certified copy. there is a major difference....
    i'll come back to this on sunday of its ok with you, bit busy now but will have time to do your letter sunday!

    PM me if you add anything cos i'll be away til then - hope that's ok.... N-i-D.
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Innocent_Guy
    Innocent_Guy Posts: 5,369 Forumite
    Hey guys need some advice.

    My friend has recevied a letter from the DCA regarding his Halifax loan. They have advised him that they cannot provide him with the CCA but he must continue to pay or they will default him. He does not have an issue with paying the debt however wants the 5 late payment markers removed. What is his position? He has sent them an s10 but we think that they are not going to comply. Any ideas?

    Thanks
    Bank Accounts - Barlcays Premier[/B] - £1000 o/d, HSBC - £200 o/d- First Direct - £500
    Credit Cards - Barclaycard £2000 - Silver Card £1300 - Flybe £7500 - HSBC £1000 - First Direct £2500 First Direct Gold £3000
    6 credit accounts closed in 2010!

    Official SOS Club number 001 - Dry until 01.07.10
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    Hey guys need some advice.

    My friend has recevied a letter from the DCA regarding his Halifax loan. They have advised him that they cannot provide him with the CCA but he must continue to pay or they will default him. He does not have an issue with paying the debt however wants the 5 late payment markers removed. What is his position? He has sent them an s10 but we think that they are not going to comply. Any ideas?

    Thanks

    Mate get your mate to join here and we'll help him lol......

    Otherwise be specific - does he has a default? if so when? who done it?
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    Innocent;

    Ok, legally if he is only in arrears then the lender will not remove any data - the 5 late payment markers will not cause too much aggro if the account is still live - they will for the immediate time but after a year then lenders won't take too much notice if everything else is ok with his file.

    Personally, the s.10 will be ignored - i'm sure I did say it would be ignored in sub-prime thread as well as in here because they have no legal offering to comply which I also made clear!

    Now you have no way to issue a s.10 in the future because it will contradict your position.... bottom line is to follow the procedures set out in post 1 on this thread and read until you get the info you need mate - it is all there (I done most of it so know this for a fact lol)......

    So to recap:

    1. Get friend to agree repayments in writing and request that as a gesture of goodwill they remove the late payment markers or you'll consider writing the debt off by going bankrupt. This scares most lenders into agreement.

    2. When they respond they will likely decline to remove the data - ask again, by letter, stressing that as a condition of any future agreement you strongly suggest they remove any derogatory information from the CRA's - failure to do so will result in non payment.

    3. This time they will have to make a final decision and will either agree to remove the data or will decline. If they decline they must inform you that it is their final letter and if you're not happy to speak to the FSA etc.... it's then up to you what you do next.
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Innocent_Guy
    Innocent_Guy Posts: 5,369 Forumite
    Innocent;

    Ok, legally if he is only in arrears then the lender will not remove any data - the 5 late payment markers will not cause too much aggro if the account is still live - they will for the immediate time but after a year then lenders won't take too much notice if everything else is ok with his file.

    Personally, the s.10 will be ignored - i'm sure I did say it would be ignored in sub-prime thread as well as in here because they have no legal offering to comply which I also made clear!

    Now you have no way to issue a s.10 in the future because it will contradict your position.... bottom line is to follow the procedures set out in post 1 on this thread and read until you get the info you need mate - it is all there (I done most of it so know this for a fact lol)......

    So to recap:

    1. Get friend to agree repayments in writing and request that as a gesture of goodwill they remove the late payment markers or you'll consider writing the debt off by going bankrupt. This scares most lenders into agreement.

    2. When they respond they will likely decline to remove the data - ask again, by letter, stressing that as a condition of any future agreement you strongly suggest they remove any derogatory information from the CRA's - failure to do so will result in non payment.

    3. This time they will have to make a final decision and will either agree to remove the data or will decline. If they decline they must inform you that it is their final letter and if you're not happy to speak to the FSA etc.... it's then up to you what you do next.
    Thanks,

    * He had a loan with Halifax 2003, didn't pay.
    * Got sold on to DCA ( Not defaulted just shows 5 late / missed payments )
    * Started making payments in 2005
    * DCA / Halifax have no CCA

    Anything else?
    Bank Accounts - Barlcays Premier[/B] - £1000 o/d, HSBC - £200 o/d- First Direct - £500
    Credit Cards - Barclaycard £2000 - Silver Card £1300 - Flybe £7500 - HSBC £1000 - First Direct £2500 First Direct Gold £3000
    6 credit accounts closed in 2010!

    Official SOS Club number 001 - Dry until 01.07.10
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    Ok, well in the absence of a CCA then you'd send this letter mate: Ive already made it suit his situation so no need to change anything....
    ACCOUNT NUMBER: XXXXXXX

    Dear Sirs

    Re: Account in dispute / AC No: XXXXXXXX

    I refer to my letter dated XXXXXX in which I made a formal request under the Consumer credit act 1974 s.77-79 for true copies of the regulated agreement referred to in the above account number. You are reminded that you are obliged to supply these under s.189 whether you are the original creditor or not. I also enclosed the statutory fee of £1.00 for this account.

    To date you have failed to comply with my statutory request and have defaulted in respect of this account. This means that under the CCA you have now committed an offence punishable upon conviction, by a fine, or imprisonment.

    Additionally this alleged agreement is unenforceable until such time as the late payment markers are removed or enforced by a court of law. It is a further offence to attempt to enforce this alleged agreement until such time as the unlawful entries are removed.

    Consequently I am ceasing all payments to your company until such time as this matter is resolved. It is also my intention to report this matter to the appropriate enforcement authority.

    I await your prompt response.

    Yours faithfully,

    Then see what they send back for him and post on here mate. Specific answers to other points below:

    * He had a loan with Halifax 2003, didn't pay.
    - Are you saying he didn't pay from 2003-2005 then started again? Please clarify did he last pay recently or in 2003?
    * Got sold on to DCA ( Not defaulted just shows 5 late / missed payments )
    - whats the problem then if no default mate?
    * Started making payments in 2005
    - when did he last pay?
    * DCA / Halifax have no CCA
    - see above letter template to send
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Innocent_Guy
    Innocent_Guy Posts: 5,369 Forumite
    Ok, well in the absence of a CCA then you'd send this letter mate: Ive already made it suit his situation so no need to change anything....



    Then see what they send back for him and post on here mate. Specific answers to other points below:

    * He had a loan with Halifax 2003, didn't pay.
    - Are you saying he didn't pay from 2003-2005 then started again? Please clarify did he last pay recently or in 2003?
    * Got sold on to DCA ( Not defaulted just shows 5 late / missed payments )
    - whats the problem then if no default mate?
    * Started making payments in 2005
    - when did he last pay?
    * DCA / Halifax have no CCA
    - see above letter template to send
    Didn't pay between 2003 - 2005 started paying again in 2005 (to DCA)
    The issue is the 5 missed payments trashing his file.
    If he sends the above letter could they then default him for non payment? I believe that is what they are suggesting in the letter
    Bank Accounts - Barlcays Premier[/B] - £1000 o/d, HSBC - £200 o/d- First Direct - £500
    Credit Cards - Barclaycard £2000 - Silver Card £1300 - Flybe £7500 - HSBC £1000 - First Direct £2500 First Direct Gold £3000
    6 credit accounts closed in 2010!

    Official SOS Club number 001 - Dry until 01.07.10
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    edited 15 May 2009 at 9:38PM
    Didn't pay between 2003 - 2005 started paying again in 2005 (to DCA)
    The issue is the 5 missed payments trashing his file.
    If he sends the above letter could they then default him for non payment? I believe that is what they are suggesting in the letter

    Mate - you're missing my question, i'm trying to establish the exact date he last paid! Why did he pay again in 2005 after 2yrs of non payment? Is he mad?

    what date did he last pay....

    yes, sending that letter means he stops paying - are you suggesting that he has been paying for the last 4 years? The letter though is an account in dispute letter meaning they cannot default him until the account (or dispute) is sorted. As I say, you must ensure the words account in dispute is on the letter somewhere at the top so it is unmissable.

    also, who owns the account a DCA? if not, why? after 2yrs of non payment then the default should of occurred then - has it been and then been removed to be replaced with payment indicators again? If so then illegal.....

    edit: see why we can't give general advice on this matter cos its sooo complicated and changes between situations mate. thats why it is best not to get involved in this for mates unless you know what you;re doing! you could end up costing him more in the long run..... just be careful, its best to stay mates and not debt counsellor
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Innocent_Guy
    Innocent_Guy Posts: 5,369 Forumite
    Mate - you're missing my question, i'm trying to establish the exact date he last paid! Why did he pay again in 2005 after 2yrs of non payment? Is he mad?

    what date did he last pay....

    yes, sending that letter means he stops paying - are you suggesting that he has been paying for the last 4 years? The letter though is an account in dispute letter meaning they cannot default him until the account (or dispute) is sorted.
    He HAS been paying since 2005
    Bank Accounts - Barlcays Premier[/B] - £1000 o/d, HSBC - £200 o/d- First Direct - £500
    Credit Cards - Barclaycard £2000 - Silver Card £1300 - Flybe £7500 - HSBC £1000 - First Direct £2500 First Direct Gold £3000
    6 credit accounts closed in 2010!

    Official SOS Club number 001 - Dry until 01.07.10
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
    He HAS been paying since 2005

    fool. read last post agin please mate - ive been editing it and need some questions answered lol
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 350.9K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.1K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.5K Spending & Discounts
  • 243.9K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 598.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 176.9K Life & Family
  • 257.2K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.