Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote: »

Yet again you have gone "under cover" into a UW distributor support site and selected another link and used it to demonstrate "deceit"...... this form that you have gleefully found was added to the site in May 2005.

You seem a little rattled that the uws business secrets are available for us all to see on the net. If uw wants to keep its methods secret, then they should come to an arangement not to show up on Google, and stop flooding youtube with their training videos! There is no need for any subterfuge to see the webpages!

If you are saying that uw reps aren't trained to suggest your customers get the cheapest gas and electricity, then you are naive.

If the example given is out of date then they should take it off the net! But as the ASA doesn't interfere with any false claims made on the net, no doubt all the misleading uw webpages/videos etc will remain.

Here is another example of deceitful selling:

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/signing-customers.html

If you can be bothered to watch, note that gary the great explains away why uw don't feature highly on switching websites. He explains that is because uw don't pay the likes of uswitch for referrals. The deceit is glaring - uw doesn't feature "highly" because of its expense, which we all know. But your prospects don't expect to be lied to by the man from uw their friend has recommended to them, and accept whatever you tell them. Note he then goes on to tell them that "our company is the cheapest provider for gas and electricity, so its nice to have this sort of credibility". The gullibles nod enthusiastically!

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote: »

If you insist on continuing this random "quoting" of what you like to call UW "lies and deceit", then it is going to become more and more difficult to maintain the curtesy on this forum that most of us try to achieve.

You clearly don't read all the personal abuse that comes from the uw reps who post here!

When talking about forum courtesy, be careful!

It was you who succeeded in getting the uw reps referral thread closed down (in your first attempt to take advantage of MSE and its members).

This was achieved by attempting to run a so called charity collection. You posted that you worked with a charity, and anyone signing up to uw would mean a donation of up to £50 to the charity. Anyone becoming a rep for uw would also mean a £50 donation to the charity. An "air of respectability" was added to the post by you asking for more help on raising funds for the charity.

MSE members were told they would "save and also help my local charity". Nowhere was any mention of your cut in all this.

You broke forum rules with the post, this was pointed out by a mod, but you refused to amend the post, or supply the info requested by the mod.

But you protested:

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote:

My primary goal in posting to this thread is to raise funds for the charity whilst I work with them on longer-term income and to see if anybody has any other suggestions.

The mod got fed up with this abuse of the board and locked down the uw thread for ever.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=966

Quentin wrote: »

You seem a little rattled that the uws business secrets are available for us all to see on the net. If uw wants to keep its methods secret, then they should come to an arangement not to show up on Google, and stop flooding youtube with their training videos! There is no need for any subterfuge to see the webpages!

If you are saying that uw reps aren't trained to suggest your customers get the cheapest gas and electricity, then you are naive.

If the example given is out of date then they should take it off the net! But as the ASA doesn't interfere with any false claims made on the net, no doubt all the misleading uw webpages/videos etc will remain.

Hi Quentin

Again, you choose to ignore the comment, although you asked for factual challenge, typical.

To provide a factual response to this, which, quite honestly, you don't deserve, this form that you have gleefully found was added to the site in May 2005. At the time the tutorial was produced, Utility Warehouse probably did provide the cheapest Gas and Electricity (I would be more assertive and state that they did provide the cheapest, but I am trying to be less provocative than some).

You provided a link to a presentation that was factually correct at the time it was published and then use it to "prove" how deceitful UW reps are - your credibility, which I used to admire, is now nose-diving for me. This is genuinely sad for me as you used to post very insightful information.

Best regards

Mike

Quentin wrote: »

You clearly don't read all the personal abuse that comes from the uw reps who post here!

When talking about forum courtesy, be careful!

That's rich coming from the person who still hasn't apologised for making false accusations of me 'cynically' and 'intentionally' posting misleading informaion.

Quentin wrote: »

You choose to ignore the obvious riposte - if the garden party tutorial for gathering customers details using deceit is out of date, why don't uw take it off the net?

Yet again, no acceptance of your misinformation. The information provided at the time was NOT deceit.

Also, this is NOT UW information, it was provided by two of the nicest people I have ever met who put their heart and soul (and funding) into helping people achieve their personal goals. It is very useful to have history on a website that enables individual to see how things have changed over time and to stimulate them. Just because you misrepresent it, doesn't make it less useful to others.

As you don't like UW being exposed this way, I'll go and find some more - it won't be too hard, and does serve to let others be aware of the type of depths uw reps are encouraged to stoop to.

Whatever floats your boat. :sad: