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  • Broken_hearted
    Broken_hearted Posts: 9,553 Forumite
    fermi wrote: »
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    So, an agreement of that age that does contain all the "prescribed terms" should (in theory) be unenforceable even if it is signed.
    .
    Its this bit that gets me, has anyone ever taken it as far as court yet to see which side wins. I still think this will be the next loophole blocked after the bank charges case.
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  • fiveyearplan
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    Yes, BH some people have successfully won. I'm in the middle of the court stage for one of my husband's cc. I keep posting here at each stage.

    :j :j


  • Where can I find details of the prescribed terms a cca is meant to have?
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  • fermi
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    Where can I find details of the prescribed terms a cca is meant to have?

    This was very helpfully compiled by someone a while ago.
    IS MY AGREEMENT ENFORCEABLE( Via section 127(3) CCA1974)

    PRESCRIBED TERMS FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 61(1)(0) AND 127(3) OF THE CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974 Taken from sced.6(1983/1553) regulations

    (If you just want to find out, skip the bits in between the stars it’s just some extra information)

    **What do we mean by unenforceable?

    In the Consumer Credit Act section 127 there is a provision for making an agreement unenforceable if it does not contain certain pieces of information.
    Subsections 1,2,3,4 state which pieces of information these are, and everything mentioned there must be included within the body of the agreement, if one is missing the agreement is unenforceable.

    How does unenforceable differ from enforceable with a court order only?

    When an agreement is unenforceable it means that the court or the judge cannot make a ruling on it. The court cannot make it enforceable.
    When an agreement is enforceable only by ruling of the court it means that the agreement can be stopped by the debtor but the court has the power to re-instate it and allow the credit to continue to enforce.**

    The Prescribed Terms are these

    A Amount of credit

    A term stating the amount of credit

    B Repayments

    A term stating how the debtor is to discharge his obligations under the agreement to make the repayments, which may be expressed by reference to a combination of any of the following-

    (a) Number of repayments;
    (b) Amount of repayments;
    (c) Frequency and timing of repayments;
    (d) Dates of repayments;
    (e) The manner in which any of the above may be determined; or in any other way, and any power of the creditor to vary what is payable.

    C Rate of interest

    A term stating the rate of interest to be applied to the credit issued under the agreement

    D Credit limit

    This may be a term or the manner in which it will be determined or that there is no credit limit.

    Which of these applies to you depends on the type of agreement you have?

    For a Running Account (credit card) agreement

    BC and D Apply

    For a Restricted Use Debtor Creditor Supplier
    • Where the dealer is the supplier and the creditor is the one providing the finance.
    • The money can only be used for the purpose it is given.
    • There is no interest on the purchase (the cash price is the same as the total price)
    • And there is no advance payment
    A is applicable

    For a fixed Sum Credit Agreement

    A conventional credit agreement with none of the above restrictions

    A and B apply

    For a Hire Agreement

    B is Applicable
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  • stapeley
    stapeley Posts: 2,315 Forumite
    post 659 femi has missed out the word "NOT" . This point has been covered many times . If a CCA DOES NOT CONTAINED ALL THE PRESCRIBED TERMS AS LAYED OUT IN THE CC ACT , IT CAN BE JUDGED UNENFORCEABLE BY A COURT .
  • rog2
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    Also here, on the following link, there is a template letter, which you can send if you feel that the 'agreement' that they have sent you does NOT constitute a cca under the terms of the Consumer Credit Act, 1974:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=7869437
    I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
    If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.

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  • Thanks fermi :) I'll have a read through
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  • fermi
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    stapeley wrote: »
    post 659 femi has missed out the word "NOT" . This point has been covered many times.

    Cheers stapeley. :) Corrected.

    That was a bad place to make a typo. :eek:
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  • stapeley
    stapeley Posts: 2,315 Forumite
    Thats ok fermi , cos u a nice lady i let you off:rolleyes:
  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    stapeley wrote: »
    Thats ok fermi , cos u a nice lady i let you off:rolleyes:

    Oi!!!!! I'm a bloke. :mad:

    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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