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    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 28th May 19, 11:53 AM
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    No Summons but Judgement ordered
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    • 28th May 19, 11:53 AM
    No Summons but Judgement ordered 28th May 19 at 11:53 AM
    Hello All,

    I am wondering if you can help me. I have been recently ordered a judgement against by UKCPM from Uxbridge County Court (UCC)

    I had built a strong case against UKCPM/Gladstones and I was waiting for my summons for court. UKCPM also requested that the case be handled via letter but I called in and spoke to the court and that I wanted to see the judge and have my day in court.

    Fast forward to 24th May, I received a letter saying judgement has been passed as I did not attend court

    This has absolutely infuriated me as I did not receive a summons to attend.
    I now have 500 odd to pay within 21 days.

    I have been trying to get in touch with UCC but I have been on hold for an hour with no luck.
    What is the next step?
    Is it a N244 to set the judgement aside? Reading online, it says I still have to pay the court fees

    Can anyone offer any advice?
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    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 14th Jan 20, 10:57 PM
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    !!!!!!, I will try and do this tomorrow / Thursday. Hopefully this won't be too late.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Jan 20, 11:03 PM
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    What does the court letter say about it? With a set aside it's sometimes a bit unclear.

    We assume you had a hearing in 2019 re the set aside and the Judge agreed to set the CCJ aside, when was that?

    And so, what did the Judge's letter(s) then say the parties had to do and by when?
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    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 9:15 AM
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    What does the court letter say about it? With a set aside it's sometimes a bit unclear.
    - The letter said the judge accepted the set aside and allowed for another hearing to take place. I will try and find the exact wording.

    We assume you had a hearing in 2019 re the set aside and the Judge agreed to set the CCJ aside, when was that?
    - Correct, hearing was in 2019 but I never got the hearing date, this was the reason for my set-aside which was accepted.

    And so, what did the Judge's letter(s) then say the parties had to do and by when?
    - I will try and find the letter. Ive moved house so everything is every where at the moment.

    The witness statement and evidence was attached and submitted with the set-aside back in June 2019. I have not sent these to the claimant. Shall I?

    I have removed anything identifiable to me so my documents currently:
    Witness statement : https://docdro.id/VMzcJBu

    Evidence/Exhibits: https://docdro.id/7KatkfO
    A: Rejection of trial by paper
    B: Providing directions questionnaire
    C: Providing directions questionnaire again
    D: Counterclaim reference

    My evidence is based on the fact that I wanted this to go to court and filled out the directions questionnaire twice at the courts request, rejecting trial by paper and putting a counter claim. If I was not interested/or ignored the original hearing date, I would not have complied with the courts requests to provide direct questionnaires (twice) and making a counterclaim for time wasted. In the witness statement I also put the point across that it may have been the courts admin error that I never received the court hearing date (as seen with the request of the DQ twice)

    Cost Schedule: https://docdro.id/p0Aap5y
    I have included the set-aside fee in the cost schedule also.

    The previous witness statement from claimant (the hearing that I missed) is below. Its likely they will submit the same witness statement.
    Previous Claimant WS: https://docdro.id/pAtUROp
    Last edited by Lynxy; 15-01-2020 at 9:33 AM.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 9:33 AM
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    ou are getting yoruself confused

    You have
    1) the hearing for te set aside
    and
    2) The hearing for the actual claim

    1) Is done now. Anything you did for that, is now over.
    What is important is the hearing for the ACTUAL claim, and that is what you MUST check re ryour requirements.

    Usually you will have been told a date for a hearing, and in that letter you will have been given the deadline for which the witness statement ABOUT THE EVENTS is sent to he claimant *and* the court. In addition you will file and serve on both parties the other evidence you will rely upon

    You MUST get on this today. This is imperative.

    The "defence" for the set aside - ie why you never attended the hearing and so got a CCJ against you - is not relevant. You need to defend the claim, you need a witness statement about the claim,and you need evid3nce to support your defence and WS. This is a seperate topic entirely to the set aside. Youre done talking about the set aside - apart from COSTS

    Anything and everything you send to the court you must send to the claimant. This is not optional.
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 9:54 AM
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    Hi,

    i Just called Northampton Business Centre as it is virtually impossible to get hold of Uxbridge and they said it is a 'Notice of hearing for application' - Which is for the set-aside! I will call Uxbridge to confirm.

    But for now, does this change anything with what I have to do? Do I still send the WS, evidence and Cost schedule etc to claimant and court? I already attached my WS & evidence to my set-aside application to the court but not the cost schedule?

    Do I include a cost schedule to the court & claimant for a 'Notice of hearing for application'?

    Do I send the WS & Evidence to Claimant for a 'Notice of hearing for application'?
    Last edited by Lynxy; 15-01-2020 at 10:18 AM.
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 10:52 AM
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    Ok, I just spoke to the Uxbridge and they said it is the hearing for the set-aside.

    The clerk said I can argue for the case to be struck out but any evidences must be submitted. She said, even if the cost schedule is not considered, it will still be filed if the case goes to a final hearing.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 12:00 PM
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    Can you please be clear for us?

    Did you or did you not get your set aside granted, at a hearing whcih you attended? Yes or No

    If YES then the CCBC will be utterly useless. They will have nbo idea what the current status is.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 12:03 PM
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    You said "The set aside was accepted." - I persume you mean your APPLICATOIN for set aside was granted?

    Please, please be very clear. If you have not yet attended a SET ASIDE HEARING, you need to concentrate ony on whats needed for that - which will be
    - witness statement supporting why you shoul dhave the JUDGEMENT set aside - remmeber, youre not arguing the merits of their *claim*, youre arguing you should be allowed to have th e*judgemnt* nullified and the case heard properly
    - 6 point draft order
    - evidence to support your WS, for example if it is about papers not served as you had moved, then you need to show you could be found at new address
    - DEFENCE to the claim, so you can be shown undewr CPR13.2 to have "another good reason" to allow the set aside.
    -
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 12:32 PM
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    Apologies for the confusion.

    Just to confirm, the hearing is for the set aside.

    Can you confirm what you mean by '6 point draft order'? I looked this up on the Newbies thread and the forum but could not find anything relating to this? I already included a draft of the order in my WS, does this need to seperated?

    So what I need to send to the claimant is:
    -WS,
    -Evidence
    -6 point draft order (separated)?
    Last edited by Lynxy; 15-01-2020 at 1:00 PM.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 1:21 PM
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    Defence to the underlying claim as well, although for a set aside hearing you dont have to serve this on them. Its just good practice

    What defence have you written? I asked about it yet you havent mentioned it.

    6 point draft order - usually its own sheet to make it easier. It has 6 numbered para, which basically sets out what YOU want the *court* to order both parties to do. So, it sets aside the judgment of... date, it then says that costs are reserved, it requires the Claimant (C) to issue you particulars of claim within 14 days, requires Defendant (D) to submit an amended defence within 14 days of PoC, and then says IF the C doesnt send PoC, OR they discontinue, that your costs of the set aside sumarily assesed at 255 are paid as para 2 ceases to apply
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 1:41 PM
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    @nosferatu - Please see Witness statement : https://docdro.id/VMzcJBu

    On here I have broken down the following:
    - Witness statement
    - Default judgement
    - Order dismissing the claim

    I am doing a 6 point draft order as we speak although i cover 4 of the 6 points in the draft order.

    a. Set aside the Default Judgement dated 22nd May 2019 as the court hearing was not sent or misplaced in post;
    b. In the interests of justice the Defendant has the prospects of successfully defending the claim itself and the added costs which included sums illusive by the parking firm which were never incurred and were an abuse of process for the Claimant to add to a parking charge;
    c. Order for the Claimant to pay the Defendant 255 as reimbursement for the set aside fee;
    d. Order for the original claim to be dismissed.

    I will amend to include the ones I have missed which are:

    3. Unless the Claimant serves a copy of the Claim Form on the Defendant by 4pm on 29/01/2020 paragraph 2 shall cease to have effect and the Claimant shall pay the Defendant's costs summarily assessed at 255 and the claim shall be struck out.
    4. If the Claimant serves the claim form as directed in paragraph 3 the Defendant shall file and serve a defence by 4pm on 05/02/2020.
    Last edited by Lynxy; 15-01-2020 at 1:55 PM.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 1:54 PM
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    DEFENCE
    For the 3rd time
    What DEFENCE to the underlying claim will you present? You HAVE to do this as this is a discretionary area the court can use to grant the set aside, under CPR13.2.

    "default judgement" is what you have. no idea why youre supplying the court with it?

    I dont follow links. Copy and paste here?
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 1:57 PM
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    OK so my current WS is:

    IN THE COUNTY COURT AT:
    CLAIM No:
    BETWEEN: (Claimant)
    -- and --
    (Defendant)

    ___________________________________
    WITNESS STATEMENT
    ___________________________________

    1. I X and I am the Defendant in this matter. This is my supporting Statement to my application dated 11th June 2019 requesting to:

    a. Set aside the Default Judgement dated 22nd May 2019 as the court hearing was not sent or misplaced in post; b. In the interests of justice the Defendant has the prospects of successfully defending the claim itself and the added costs which included sums illusive by the parking firm which were never incurred and were an abuse of process for the Claimant to add to a parking charge; c. Order for the Claimant to pay the Defendant 255 as reimbursement for the set aside fee; d. Order for the original claim to be dismissed.

    2. Default Judgement

    2.1. I understand that the Claimant obtained a Default Judgement against me as the Defendant on 22nd May 2019 2019. However, the hearing date had not been duly served at my current address. Any notice of order shall be sent to every person whose name the debtor has notified to the County Court, as being a creditor of his or who has proved as stated in Section 113 (a) of the County Court Act 1984. Therefore, I was not aware of the County Court Judgement. None of the information regarding a court hearing date was appropriately corresponded and it is to my belief that there was an omission by the court or postal service, in failing to inform me that a hearing was to take place, which I would certainly have attended.

    2.2. If a debtor summoned to attend the County Court by a judgement summons fails to attend on the day and at the time fixed for any hearing of the summons, the court may adjourn or further adjourn the summons to a specified day and order the debtor to attend at that time on that day with the requirements of Section 110(1) of the County Court Act 1984. Therefore, I was awaiting the court's next communication regarding the hearing and directions. I believe the order was premature and I was not given a fair opportunity to attend a hearing or submit any evidence or my Witness Statement.

    2.3. The last communication I had received before the Judgement in Default was the Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims track (Hearing) dated 05/11/18.

    2.4. On the 03/08/2018 I wrote to XXX County Court and rejected the Claimants request to have a trial by paper. Please see the attachment and confirmation from the court clerk of my requested day in court. (See Evidence A)

    2.5. On the 15/09/2018, X County Court contacted me requesting for a copy of the directions questionnaire as it could not be “located” by the court clerk(s). (See Evidence B). This was resent.

    2.6. On the 04/10/2018 XXX County Court contacted me again requesting another copy of the
    directions questionnaire. This was the second time in the space of few weeks. On this basis, and the admission of the clerk that it was misplaced. I believe due to another error I either did not receive the court hearing date or it was defectively posted and was never received. (See Evidence C)

    2.7. On the 08/07/2018 XXX County Court received my defence including my counter claim. It was in the interest of the Defence to defend the claim as well as counterclaim the incurring costs of time spent and harassment to the defendant. (See Evidence D)

    2.8. On the basis provided above, I believe that refusing the Claimants trial by paper, re-issuing the directions questionnaire twice to XXX County Court and collating a counterclaim. Through careful due diligence and compliance to the court’s requests, deemed likely that I could have my day in court to recover the costs time spent on this dishonest claim. The Defendant would not have fulfilled and obeyed these obligations otherwise.

    2.9. Considering the above I was unable to defend this claim reasonably. I am confident that the Default Judgement against me was issued incorrectly and thus should be set aside.


    3. Order dismissing the Claim

    3.1. I further believe that the original Claim by the Claimant has no merit and should thus be dismissed. I understand that the Claimant is a Parking Company which seeks to claim for “Parking Charge Notices” which the Claimant believes are due because of an alleged breach of contract for parking by a motorist.

    3.2. It appears that the Claimant has obtained details of the vehicle for which I am the Registered Keeper and used those details to make a claim for a ‘Parking Charge Notice’. Any Notice to Keeper served by the Claimant must comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This includes the requirement to issue the Notice to Keeper within 14 days of the alleged incident. If the Claimant has not complied with the requirements of the Act they cannot claim this charge against me as the Registered Keeper in any case.

    3.3 If the Notice to Keeper was not issued within 14 days, then the Claimant is required to prove who the driver of the vehicle was at the time of the alleged incident. The vehicle to which I am the Registered Keeper was at the time insured to be driven by two adults. I submit that the Claimant cannot provide such evidence to prove the driver of the vehicle they claim was involved in the alleged incident.

    3.4. If the Claimant has obtained details of the vehicle for which the Defendant is the Registered Keeper, and used those details to make a claim for a “Parking Charge Notice’’, I dispute the claim in its entirety as I do not know the wording of the contract neither the means by which the contract was alleged to come into force.

    3.5. I submit that this is not a penalty charge notice but a private one based on contract law and therefore the Claimant must:

    a) show evidence that they have complied with the POFA or alternatively, show evidence of the driver's identity, to prove that this is the right defendant;

    b) set out the facts on which it is asserted that the claimant has a cause of action against this defendant, and

    c) identify the 'relevant obligation' of the defendant to pay parking charges and the 'relevant land' on which the parking is said to have occurred;

    d) state whether the claim is in relation to a 'relevant contract' or in respect of an alleged trespass or other tort; (as per the POFA 2012 Schedule 4)

    e) disclose full particulars and a contract, in order to evidence a claim in law;

    f) evidence how a parking charge which the BPA Code of Practice sets a ceiling for, of not more than 100, has escalated to a triple 'recovery' reaching over 248 despite the POFA also stating that a keeper can only be pursued for the sum on the Notice to Keeper (double recovery not being allowed).

    3.6. A requirement of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is that this any Notice to Keeper served by the Claimant must be served within 14 days of the date of the alleged incident. Since I have not received any documentation from the Claimant prior to finding out about the Default Judgement, I submit the Claimant will not have complied with the requirements of the Act and thus cannot claim this charge against me as the Registered Keeper in any case.

    3.7. I further submit that the parking charge notice is without merit due to substantial issues in law. This is for the following main reasons:

    3.8. Lack of Standing by Claimant: The Claimant is unlikely to be the landowner of the car park in question and will have no proprietary interest in it. This means that the Claimant, as a matter of law, will have no locus standi to litigate in their own name. Any consideration will have been provided by the landholder, and only they would have been able sue for any damages or trespass.

    3.8.1. No Loss Suffered by Claimant: Their claim is presumably based on damages for alleged breach of contract. It is a fundamental principle of English Law that a party who suffers damages through breach of contract can only seek through court action to be put back in the same position as they would have been if the breach had not occurred. In order to do so, they must demonstrate their actual, or genuine, pre-estimate of loss. I submit that no loss has been suffered by the Claimant as a result of any alleged breaches of contract on the part of any motorist of the vehicle of which I am the Registered Keeper. I further submit that any loss to the landholder (which would be the only party able to claim such losses) would be at most a few pounds.

    3.8.2. No contract with the claimant: Any contract must have offer, acceptance and consideration both ways. There would not have been consideration from the Claimant to the motorist; the fee for parking benefits the landowners, not the Claimant. Therefore, there is no consideration from the motorist to UK Car Park Management.
    3.9. The signage is forbidding and makes no offer to the motorist. There can therefore be no contract.

    3.10. Even if there was a contract the signage fails informational requirements for contracts established in the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation And Additional Charges) Regulations 2013, enacted 13 June 2014, and so any contract would be non-binding on the consumer.
    3.11. My name and address information (together with other information) is classified as personal data within the meaning of s1(1) of the Data Protection Act (DPA). The Claimant has misused this data by attempting to claim a charge when there is no possibility that a lawful reason exists.

    3.12. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, at Section 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be recovered from the keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper, in this case 100. The claim includes an additional 148.55, for which no calculation or explanation is given, and which appears to be an attempt at double recovery.

    3.13. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has incurred legal representation costs specifically related to this claim, for which a 50 cost has been included in the claim.

    3.14. On this basis I believe that the Claimant has not provided any reasonable cause of action and thus the claim should be dismissed in its entirety.

    3.15. In order to make informed decisions and statements in my defence as keeper of the vehicle, I will require copies of all paperwork and images of all signs from the Claimant.

    Statement of Truth:

    I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 2:31 PM
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    To this, I added:

    IT IS ORDERED that:

    1. The default judgment dated 22/05/2019 be set aside.
    2. Costs to be reserved.
    3. Unless the Claimant serves a copy of the Claim Form on the Defendant by 4pm on 29/01/2020 paragraph 2 shall cease to have effect and the Claimant shall pay the Defendant's costs summarily assessed at 255 and the claim shall be struck out.
    4. If the Claimant serves the claim form as directed in paragraph 3 the Defendant shall file and serve a defence by 4pm on 05/02/2020.
    5. Should the Claimant discontinue the Claim after the CCJ is set aside, paragraph 2 shall cease to have effect and the Claimant shall pay the Defendant's costs summarily assessed at 255 plus the Defendant's costs for attending the hearing.
    6. All enforcement be put on hold pending the outcome of the application.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 2:34 PM
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    Yep thats the 6 point draft
    So

    Hve you got a defence written? Yes or No. 4th time of asking.
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 2:42 PM
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    Hello nosferatu - Thanks for confirming.
    The points I set out in WS, is that not the DEFENCE? Most the points are in section 3 under Order dismissing the Claim. Shall I just rename this?
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 15th Jan 20, 3:18 PM
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    By definition no. A defence is NOT a witness statement, and vice versa

    A WS sets out facts. It does not argue
    A defence sets out arguments why you are not liable for the claim. Nothing more.

    A defence is written in the 3rd person, and deals with the underlying C:LAIM - it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you should get a set aside.

    A WS for a set aside is purely talking about why you shoul dbe granted a set aside, and is not anything to do with the underlying claim APART FROM sttaing hey look, ive got a defence as well.
    Last edited by nosferatu1001; 15-01-2020 at 3:21 PM.
    • Lynxy
    • By Lynxy 15th Jan 20, 3:58 PM
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    Hello Nosferatu - Thanks for explaining that in detail, I can see how it can be confusing to a newbie.Will make amendments and submit to claimant and court.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Jan 20, 4:12 AM
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    You need a defence against the actual PCN...like in all cases, please copy & adapt one.
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