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    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 8th May 18, 11:08 PM
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    parking ticket only 1 sign obscured
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    • 8th May 18, 11:08 PM
    parking ticket only 1 sign obscured 8th May 18 at 11:08 PM
    I went into town with a driver and we got the children and pram put of the car. On the way in there was a suspicious looking man on his phone looking at the back of his tyre of his car which wasn't damaged. he was parked out side of the carpark and was looking about anxiously.
    We spoke about it for a few minutes and left the car park completely.forgetting about tickets bit for good reason... there are no signs on leaving the car prk.

    On return, there was a ticket on the car, and we then looked around for signs.
    There was a sign on the outside of the carpark which was obscured by the car with the man on the phone. on the inside behind that sign was a small sign also with carpark information. neither of which could be seen from where we where, there are no other signs in the carpark. And none on the pathways on the exit.
    We were able to film upon leaving to show only these signs and one small blue one at the back of the carpark directly opposite the entrance that says pay and display.
    I do not think the signs are adequate. and there are no warnings on the fence when leaving the car park.
    I have marked the two signs with yellow. the blue pay and display sign with a blue dot, the carpark footpath that leads to town with a red line and the vehicle I was in with a purple dot. The man was parked on the pavement outside the carpark right in front of the yellow sign.
    I have filmed the entire carpark. there are 100% no other signs and the pay and display sign is on the top of the inside yellow Sign and rhe machine is again next to the yellow sign and none can be seen from the bottom end of the carpark due to the steep slope and other vehicles. the green dots mark where the cars were parked on arrival. I don't know about the other spaces.
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    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 8th May 18, 11:11 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 11:11 PM
    I cannot add an image
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    • 8th May 18, 11:11 PM
    despite having a 4 year badge for using this site... it says as a new user I cannot post a link :/
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 8th May 18, 11:15 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 11:15 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 11:15 PM
    Everyone is politely asked to read up on this in the newbies faq thread near the top of the forum


    Go there now to get an insight into the game you are now caught up in and advice on how to go about the initial appeal


    It's posts that get you posting links ability not years since registering
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th May 18, 1:00 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 1:00 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 1:00 AM
    Not a car park in Haworth is it?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1628325&page=16

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5698164

    Which parking firm is noted on the so-called PCN?
    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 9th May 18, 8:10 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 8:10 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 8:10 AM
    hi Quentin.
    I already have read (2 amd a bit times before I fell alseep) the initial response information but was unsure if editing the information to the signs part was quite righ for this situation.

    I have also trawler and trawler the internet for an idea of adequate signage but found nothing to help at all.

    Do readers think that this is worth chasing for a start.

    The only thing I can see is the signs must be clear... but clear how? clear in understanding? clear in themselves, or clear as in apparen?

    Maybe it's the aspie in me that confuses me so much.
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 9th May 18, 9:14 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 9:14 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 9:14 AM
    Why don't you try answering a few questions you have been asked if you require help, the most important one being who is the PPC?

    Coupon-mad asked you some questions in the post above your last one which you ignored, and she is one of the most experienced on here!

    As for posting a link it doesn't matter how long you have been on here it's about how many posts you have made.

    To get round that host your pictures and change http to say hxxp others will be able to convert for you.

    With the cryptic information given so far and lack of answers people will be too busy to get their crystal balls polished up to help you!
    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 12th May 18, 6:11 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 6:11 PM
    Ncp bolton
    • #7
    • 12th May 18, 6:11 PM
    hello @coupon-mad
    No, it's an NCP in Bolton.
    thank you
    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 12th May 18, 6:34 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 6:34 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 6:34 PM
    thanks @fisherjim just having a few issues using the mobile version.

    I'll try this, as suggested ... parking hxxps://imgur.com/gallery/ky3Gy6v
    • Redx
    • By Redx 12th May 18, 6:37 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 6:37 PM
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    • 12th May 18, 6:37 PM
    just use the template "as is", as post #1 of the FAQ tells you to do

    also read that part where it tells you in that post that it doesnt matter what you as a member think, you just go with the flow and use that template , appealing as keeper

    Q - ''I have read the NEWBIES thread but cannot find anything specific to my case...my case is different''.

    A - NO IT ISN'T. YOU DO NOT NEED SPECIFICS. FORGET THE DETAIL, MOST CASES ARE ALL THE SAME.

    and

    TEMPLATE ''ONE SIZE FITS ALL'' FIRST APPEAL THAT DOESN'T SAY WHO WAS DRIVING

    - if this is a BPA member parking firm, the point is to get a POPLA code if you do not get it cancelled.

    - this is why not to name the driver (thanks to The Slithy Tove for this explanation):
    it also tells you that the whole idea is to get a popla code if they fail to cancel the charge

    any signage issues will be embedded in your pdf to popla once your popla appeal is complete

    add dead links to any photos , changing http to hxxp until you have enough posts to post live links

    live link below

    https://imgur.com/gallery/ky3Gy6v

    use a laptop for this saga , not a phone
    Last edited by Redx; 12-05-2018 at 6:42 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 12th May 18, 7:19 PM
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    https://imgur.com/gallery/ky3Gy6v

    I can see three signs in that photo and that's without counting the massive sign facing outwards - which surely you would've seen on the way in.

    They're all bright yellow. Didn't you think they were worthy of a closer look?

    I hope that isn't your car that we can see the reg. no.
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    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 12th May 18, 7:45 PM
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    No. it's not my car.. as I said, I wasn't driving, I was with someone else.
    The sign on the outside was obscured by someone Parked there.
    I remember them clearly as he was acting very suspiciously. the ones on the back are the only other signs. those signs have car parking in front of them.
    The car park is on a very steep slope so the other layers of cars block even the entrance.
    There are no other signs, none at all. There appears to be a sign that may have been a parking sign near the foot exit but there is nothing on it, two bear posts.
    These photos were taken when the car park was nearly empty.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 12th May 18, 7:53 PM
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    Redx
    ok, so if its not your vehicle then its nothing to do with you apart from you advising the keeper to do what that NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread tells them to do

    they appeal, AS KEEPER, using the template

    no issues, no buts , just do it, within 28 days of the NTK date, do not be late

    then start on a popla appeal, from a keeper perspective
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 12th May 18, 7:56 PM
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    right ... you are now getting the good advice that you need ...

    please follow the advice .... re templates

    you will be following the BPA suff , not IPC


    so you get a feel for how unregulated this murky world of private [parking is ....

    please watch/read the below...

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.


    Ralph
    • southernshepherdess
    • By southernshepherdess 12th May 18, 8:19 PM
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    redx THAT vehicle, in the photo, is not mine.
    I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I was not the driver.

    I think there are issues with the forum on my mobile as there are replies showing up inbetween times.

    The template information does not quite fit this situation so I was unsure.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 12th May 18, 8:40 PM
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    KeithP
    I think there are issues with the forum on my mobile as there are replies showing up inbetween times.
    Originally posted by southernshepherdess
    I think that would be better phrased as:
    I am having trouble reading this forum on my mobile telephone. I'll have to try and find a more suitable device.

    The template information does not quite fit this situation so I was unsure.
    Originally posted by southernshepherdess
    The template information does fit your situation.


    Perhaps you need to get some pictures of the signs when they cannot be seen - i.e. when the car park is not nearly empty.
    Last edited by KeithP; 12-05-2018 at 8:43 PM.
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