Given a parking ticket that had time left on it but now have been fined by a private comapny

Bond00 · 15 September 2018 at 4:01PM

This is my first time posting and l would appreciate some advice. My father went went into a car park near the bank and a helpful lady gave him her ticket. My dad was going to pay the pound but thanked her took it and displayed it whilst he went to the bank.He thought nothing of it but today a parking letter has arrived,stating that he is liable for £50.00 which will increase to £90 if not paid because of transferring a ticket to another car. I have yet to see the signs on the car park or see the full letter. Whatever people's views on this it was given as a gesture of goodwill and accepted. Apparently they have photographic evidence? l have told him not to pay it yet,and l am very annoyed that he has hand out his money to such bandits.
I would welcome advice and l am willing to act on his behalf.

Umkomaas · 15 September 2018 at 4:03PM

Which parking firm?

Redx · 15 September 2018 at 4:04PM

see the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread at the top of this forum

in future, make sure the payment is made at the machine as they probably use VRM details, that person handing him the ticket could well be a sc@mmer wiating for just such a victim, as these tickets are usually not transferable

which PPC is it ?

McKneff · 15 September 2018 at 4:58PM

It very likely says on the ticket tbat eaz passed to hi 'this ticket is not transferable.
Do they have photographic evidence of the ticket changing hands

The_Slithy_Tove · 15 September 2018 at 5:19PM

McKneff wrote: »

Do they have photographic evidence of the ticket changing hands

It has been known for employees or "agents" of a parking company to entrap motorists by offering the partially used ticket, and then slapping a ticket on the car for that reason. Redx has already commented as such.

As stated, what is the evidence they are relying on? Unless it's one of those car parks where the ticket has the VRM on it, they will be hard pushed to prove it.

Redx · 15 September 2018 at 5:19PM

Napier are going to state that no ticket was bought and the handed over ticket is not transferable

by all means appeal it if you wish but dont expect to have it cancelled, not by Napier and not by any IAS appeal either

I doubt that a judge will find in favour of the driver on this one

so dont expect a quick resolution , expect a legal dispute

tell him to check the signs and buy a ticket in future when its pay and display

Quentin · 15 September 2018 at 5:43PM

You do need to read up on this in the newbies FAQ thread near the top of the forum to understand this game - get the keeper to read up there too

See the advice on dealing with IPC companies, get the keeper to send the template appeal and then ignore everything except court correspondence or a lbcca

Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving

Edit your posts to remove details of who was driving

Guys_Dad · 15 September 2018 at 6:00PM

We are in a guessing game here. We don't know if there was a notice saying tickets are not transferable, if the ticket required a vehicle registration or what.

If you can supply the details of what the signs said, what the parking arrangements re keying in reg no etc, then we may have a chance, but I fear that he will have an uphill struggle without, particularly if he is honest about getting a 2nd hand ticket.

waamo · 15 September 2018 at 6:12PM

The all important odds of court http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata/Napier_Parking.html

Take a look at them. I wouldn't see it as a lost cause just a bit of a gamble

beamerguy · 15 September 2018 at 7:32PM

Bond00 wrote: »

. Whatever people's views on this it was given as a gesture of goodwill and accepted. Apparently they have photographic evidence? l have told him not to pay it yet,he is the carer for my mom and l am very annoyed that he has hand out his money to such bandits.
I would welcome advice and l am willing to act on his behalf.

I have often given these machine tickets to others, older
people or young mums

15 spaces is a small car park and really not big enoigh
for a resident warden

Napier offer a self ticketing system which means they
take on someone to take pictures to earn commission

Explained here ...
http://napierparking.co.uk/self-enforcement-solution

It is very debatable that this falls within their permission
from the scam ATA, the IPC, to obtain data from the
DVLA

A self ticketer is not employed by Napier and whilst anyone
can take a picture of a car, it's the forwarding of data
without permission from the car owner that is the problem
as commission only workers who could be anyone, form
no contract that is allowed

Couple this to pictures being taken by a "nobody" then this
could be seen as predatory

You should send a SAR to Napier asking who took the pictures
and proof of their authority to do so

Quentin · 15 September 2018 at 7:42PM

beamerguy wrote: »

I have often given these machine tickets to others, older
people or young mums

You should explain to your chosen recipient the danger that using your gift instead of buying their own means they could be using an invalid ticket.

People doing this in car parks had lead to the annoyance of having to input your reg now as well as buy a ticket!

Given a parking ticket that had time left on it but now have been fined by a private comapny

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