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Letter Before Claim - UKPPO

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  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,648 Forumite
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    Ask them if the money they obtain goes to the court [as it should do] or do they keep it for themselves/the landowner??


    I think you'll find they drop they drop the case pretty sharp once that hits the electronic door mat!!

    What have I missed?

    What money should go to the court?
  • Computersaysno
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    My mistake...I thought this was airport tickets...
  • Elmo111
    Elmo111 Posts: 76 Forumite
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    Attached is the 2nd draft of the defence, if I'm honest, I'm struggling to find additional legal arguments to add to my defence, with my particular claim being so unique.

    Thanks to Coupon-Mad for some direction so far. I've added a preliminary and cleaned up some of the ordering.

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    IN THE COUNTY COURT
    Claim No.: XXXXXXXX

    Between

    UK PARKING PATROL OFFICE LTD
    (Claimant)

    -and-


    XXXXX
    (Defendant)

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    DEFENCE
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Preliminary

    1. The Defendant denies receiving correspondence from the Claimant regarding any of the alleged parking contraventions. In pre-action communication, UKPPO Ltd states that 24 letters were sent to the Defendants address acquired from the DVLA for strictly limited purpose of 'enquiring who was driving'.

    2. It is with distress that I note that the Claimants amount of letters sent, is approximately twice as many demands than the unwarranted demands which bombarded the consumer victim in the case of Ferguson v British Gas Trading Ltd [2009] EWCA Civ 46, where the company's course of conduct amounted to unlawful harassment contrary to the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 and they were liable to pay the defendant over £10,000 in compensation.

    Background

    3. It is admitted that on the material dates, the Defendant's vehicle was parked at the location stated.

    4. It is admitted that at all material times the Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle which is the subject of these proceedings.

    5. The Claimant failed to issue a Notice to Keeper (NTK) for the alleged infringement. This is not in accordance with the requirements of The Protection of Freedom Act 2012 (POFA). Under schedule 4, paragraph 4 of the POFA, an operator can only establish the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of a vehicle if certain conditions are met as stated in paragraphs 5, 6, 11 & 12. UK Parking Patrol have failed to fulfil the conditions which state that the keeper must be served with a compliant NTK in accordance with paragraph 9, which stipulates a mandatory timeline and wording:-
    The notice must be given by; (a) handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or (b) Sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.

    Paragraph 5.2 of the October 2017 pre-action protocol, states that in our pre-action communications:-
    If the debtor requests a document or information, the creditor must:- (a) provide the document or information; or (b) explain why the document or information is unavailable, within 30 days of receipt of the request.

    UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd could not supply (a) the defendant with a copy of a compliant NTK and (b) did not explain why the requested NTK is unavailable. Instead, UK Parking Patrol Ltd decided to continually evade providing the defendant with a copy of the required documents, vital to their case.

    6. The claimant failed to include a copy of their written contract with any correspondence as per Practice Direction 16 7.3(1) and Practice Direction 7C 1.4(3A). No indication is given as to the Claimants contractual authority to operate there as required by the Claimants Trade Association's Code of Practice B1.1 which says;
    If you operate parking management activities on land which is not owned by you, you must supply us with written authority from the land owner sufficient to establish you as the !!!8216;Creditor!!!8217;; within the meaning of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (where applicable) and in any event to establish you as a person who is able to recover parking charges. There is no prescribed form for such agreement and it need not necessarily be as part of a contract but it must include the express ability for an operator to recover parking charges on the landowner!!!8217;s behalf or provide sufficient right to occupy the land in question so that charges can be recovered by the operator directly. This applies whether or not you intend to use the keeper liability provisions;

    The claimant provided an example !!!8216;contractual notice!!!8217;, that was not a picture directly from the event of each parking offence, but instead an out-of-date PDF, titled !!!8216;Parking Patrol july2013!!!8217;, which states at the bottom of the document, !!!8220;Non-payment will result in additional charges which will be added to the value of the charge and for which the driver will be liable on an indemnity basis.!!!8221;


    7. The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed the particulars of claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a).

    8. The claimant has not provided enough details in the particulars of claim to file a full defence;
    8.1. The Claimant has stated that 4 !!!8216;parking charges!!!8217; were incurred.
    8.2. The Claimant has given no indication of the nature of the alleged charge in the Particulars of Claim. The Claimant has therefore disclosed no cause of action.
    8.3. The Particulars of Claim contains no details and fails to establish a cause of action which would enable the Defendant to prepare a specific defence. It simply states !!!8216;parking charges!!!8217;; which does not give any indication of on what basis the claim is brought.

    It was only during pre-action communication that information regarding why the charge arose, what the initial charge was, what the alleged contract was and anything which could be considered a fair exchange of information. The Particulars of Claim are incompetent in disclosing no cause of action.

    9. It is not known that the Defendant was the driver of the vehicle. The Claimant is put to strict proof.

    9.1. The Claimant has provided no evidence (in pre-action correspondence or otherwise) that the Defendant was the driver. The Defendant avers that the Claimant is therefore limited to pursuing the keeper in these proceedings under the provisions set out by statute in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("POFA")
    9.2. Before seeking to rely on the keeper liability provisions of Schedule 4 POFA the Claimant must demonstrate that:
    9.2.1. There was a !!!8216;relevant obligation!!!8217;; either by way of a breach of contract, trespass or other tort; and
    9.2.2. That it has followed the required deadlines and wording as described in the Act to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper. It is not admitted that the Claimant has complied with the relevant statutory requirements.

    9.3. To the extent that the Claimant may seek to allege that any such presumption exist, the Defendant expressly denies that there is any presumption in law (whether in statute or otherwise) that the keeper is the driver.

    10. For the Claimant to utilise The Interpretations Act of 1978, proof of postings must be given to the Defendant. UKPPO Ltd were unable to supply proof of postings for the NTK(s).

    11. It is denied that the Claimant has any entitlement to the sums sought and it is denied that interest is applicable on the total sums claimed by the Claimant, which bear no relation to the maximum sum potentially able to be recovered from a registered keeper, as set out in the POFA, namely the sum stated in the Notice to Keeper.

    Further, the Defendant denies that the vehicle keeper is obliged to name the driver to a private parking firm. Had this been the intention of parliament, they would have made such requirements part of POFA, which makes no such provision. In the alternative, an amendment could have been made to s.172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. The 1988 Act continues to oblige the identification of drivers only in strictly limited circumstances, where a criminal offence has been committed. Those provisions do not apply to this matter.

    UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd have failed to adhere to POFA 2012 and should chase the appropriate party.

    The Court is invited to dismiss the Claim, and to allow such Defendant!!!8217;s costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14.

    I believe the facts stated in this Defence Statement are true.

    (Defendant) (Date)

    **********

    Any feedback would be massively appreciated, the final day for submission of defence is the 28th of this month.

    Also just referring to post #79, is this a valid NTK that Karen had attached on a previous e-mail? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XQu2BjmIdzdSsoL4xlCQuAM8BIXqM5kQ/view

    Thanks everyone and I look forward to your thoughts and ideas.
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,648 Forumite
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    'acquiring who was driving' should be 'enquiring who was driving'.

    'the October 2012 pre-action protocol...' - what is that?
    Could it be the October 2017 Pre-action Protocol for Debt Claims?
    Whatever it is, perhaps you should write it in full.

    '...which UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd suggested the defendant use' - are you taking legal advice from the Claimant? ;)
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,747 Forumite
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    You need to number all your paragraphs, some are 'floating' with no number.
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  • Elmo111
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    KeithP wrote: »
    'acquiring who was driving' should be 'enquiring who was driving'.

    'the October 2012 pre-action protocol...' - what is that?
    Could it be the October 2017 Pre-action Protocol for Debt Claims?
    Whatever it is, perhaps you should write it in full.

    '...which UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd suggested the defendant use' - are you taking legal advice from the Claimant? ;)

    Thanks KeithP, I've corrected the above.

    Yes, I meant October 2017 PAP... legal advice from cowboys?! I think not...also fixed. ;)

    @Coupon-Mad, I'm currently using Google Docs to create the document and the formatting doesn't quite copy over - all paragraphs need to be renumbered, gotcha!

    Anything else you think I should add?
  • Coupon-mad
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    10. For the Claimant to utilise The Interpretations Act of 1978, proof of postings must be given to the Defendant. UKPPO Ltd were unable to supply proof of postings for the NTK(s) nor even true copies showing the address utilised.
    Could add the above.

    Is the allegation in each case, ''no permit'' or what?
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  • Elmo111
    Elmo111 Posts: 76 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Could add the above.

    Is the allegation in each case, ''no permit'' or what?

    That's correct, no permit for all 4 of the charges.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,747 Forumite
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    This could be added to #8:
    The particulars of claim do not even give the 4 dates, let alone the reason for each PCN, the breach(es) alleged, or even whether the car was on the roadway and/or the car park.



    I see your defence says no NTK was issued, but above that I would have a point stating that no driver of your car reported finding any windscreen PCN, and so this suggests that ''ghost ticketing'' might have been occurring at this site. One missing PCN could be a prank by a third party, but for four alleged windscreen PCNs to have never been seen, suggests something different. As such, photos are not enough because they form part of a typical ''ghost ticketing'' rogue operation and the Defendant would expect the employee who ticketed the vehicle, to provide witness statement evidence and to be questioned at the hearing.*



    *he/she won't - but it tells the Judge that might be an issue...
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  • Elmo111
    Elmo111 Posts: 76 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    This could be added to #8:




    I see your defence says no NTK was issued, but above that I would have a point stating that no driver of your car reported finding any windscreen PCN, and so this suggests that ''ghost ticketing'' might have been occurring at this site. One missing PCN could be a prank by a third party, but for four alleged windscreen PCNs to have never been seen, suggests something different. As such, photos are not enough because they form part of a typical ''ghost ticketing'' rogue operation and the Defendant would expect the employee who ticketed the vehicle, to provide witness statement evidence and to be questioned at the hearing.*



    *he/she won't - but it tells the Judge that might be an issue...

    Thanks Coupon-Mad, I've added those bits in this evening.

    I mentioned in a previous post about a 'possible' NTK which was attached in an e-mail from Karen earlier in April and was wondering if it was actually compliant? Just want everything to be tight!

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XQu2BjmIdzdSsoL4xlCQuAM8BIXqM5kQ/view?usp=sharing
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