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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder
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SpiderLegs wrote: »I don’t think you understand.
The govt control the order paper. So if you want to stop no deal or have another referendum it requires legislation. The issue is how that happens if the next Tory PM is elected on a no-deal ticket.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/new-prime-minister-intent-no-deal-brexit-cant-be-stopped-mps-0
Realistically I think if the new leader won't commit to giving Parliament a vote on this, and attempting to bypass Parliament on the biggest issue of our time, I don't see any way in which the government would not fall in a vote of no confidence0 -
Realistically I think if the new leader won't commit to giving Parliament a vote on this, and attempting to bypass Parliament on the biggest issue of our time, I don't see any way in which the government would not fall in a vote of no confidence
Another potential route is an emergency debate under standing order 24
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/24/theresa-may-replacement-no-deal-brexit-pm
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/business/debates/application-for-emergency-debates/
It could end up being bercow that prevents the Tories running down the clock0 -
Another potential route is an emergency debate under standing order 24
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/24/theresa-may-replacement-no-deal-brexit-pm
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/business/debates/application-for-emergency-debates/
It could end up being bercow that prevents the Tories running down the clock
Not legally binding0 -
Realistically I think if the new leader won't commit to giving Parliament a vote on this, and attempting to bypass Parliament on the biggest issue of our time, I don't see any way in which the government would not fall in a vote of no confidence
Yes that is the likely outcome, assuming some rogue tories abstain. Thereby forcing a general election.
Which is exactly what I want and exactly why there is not going to be a second referendum.0 -
SpiderLegs wrote: »Not legally binding
It's not, but the government will know that if they ignore it then they'll lose a no confidence vote.SpiderLegs wrote: »Which is exactly what I want and exactly why there is not going to be a second referendum.
I agree a GE election has become more likely, but conservatives certainly don't want one of those either. So they may throw a 2nd referendum out to avoid it.
A week ago the chance of either was 0%, now both are certainly higher.
Nothing is going to move quickly though, Tories need to elect a new leader and the EU need to elect a new president. You never know the Conservatives might find someone who isn't a morally bankrupt liar and also understands WTO. Well we can hope.
Corbyn will need to find his backbone, he probably left it on his allotment.
I actually wouldn't like to predict the result at a GE, the low turnout at the EU elections makes any prediction difficult. Whether you're a leaver or a remainer the outcome is uncertain.
As for a 2nd referendum, until we know what the question is then I think that too would be impossible to predict. It almost certainly won't be the same question.0 -
Here we go Phil just for you I've made it bold:)Around 10% of the registered voters backed them, even if you accept that means they all want a WTO brexit then I don't think it's clear they know what that means in practice because in the run up to to vote there is still a lot of inaccurate representations about how that could work.That is democracy for you, you don't know what parliament will look like when you cast your vote.
So you are quite happy to accept no knowledge about what Parliament may bring but you continually spout venom and hatred and accuse people of xenophobia because you cannot comprehend and accept that some people feel it is time to leave a party that has taken on much more control than they are content with.When your political belief is itself one of persecution, then you get what you deserve.
Only people who exhibit xenophobic behavior and are unapologetic about it & instead of self reflection they go into denial and feign outrage and call to political correctness. If you were honest then we could have had a reasonable debate, I believe the reason people aren't honest is to shut down debate.
How are you even qualified to suggest I am xenophobic you know nothing of me. Your only point of reference is a difference of opinion on Brexit. Your comment about my lack of honesty is also a weak slur and shows again your predilection for personal attacks against people that may not share your same views.I have as much freedom of speech to show my dissatisfaction with you as you do with foreigners. The difference is that I am doing it because something you have done, while you are doing it because of something they are.
That is not freedom of speech. That is a personal character attack, again. It is only based, as you have recognised, on something you think I did, voted for Brexit. Shows again your deep-seated fear, intolerance and prejudices.
You refer to 'foreigners' and 'they', have you ever been abroad, lived abroad, worked abroad? Marbella for a long weekend doesn't count.
You didn't comment upon why you feel it is acceptable to condone illegal voting practices.0 -
Xenophobic / bigoted / racist are unfortunately meaningless words nowadays. I just wish some of the people who throw them around so freely had actually experienced what they truly meant, maybe then they wouldn’t be used so lightly.0
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Isn't that what they did already?
Not entirely, the EU27 seem to have been happy to re-open discussions with someone else at one point. May ran out of good will, but a new leader might stand a chance (particularly Corbyn who's had discussions with them). Even then, May was still being offered extensions to get something sorted.
At some point the EU will just tell us to sod off and revert to WTO, they need to in order to protect their interests from the uncertainty.0 -
17,410,742 betrayed leave voters, so they said...
5,248,533 brexit party voters.
Brexit died last Thursday.0 -
The tory leadership candidate Jeremy Hunt has just said leaving with no deal would be a disaster. Amber Rudd, David Gauke, Mat Hancock, Rory Stewart, Michael Gove have said the same in recent days. Also the Chancellor hinted yesterday that he could not support his own party towards a 'no deal' exit. There are a majority of tory MPs against a 'no deal' exit. The tories know a 'no deal' exit will split their party. One thing you can always say about the tories they have an instinct for self preservation. That is why a 'no deal' exit is unlikely despite what Boris says.0
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