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UK Car Park Management try very hard to enable Shedule 4.

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  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,493 Forumite
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    bergkamp wrote: »
    I may have used the wrong bargepole quote.... I had a few tabs open!

    Do check it out as I'm not 100% certain, but I've not seen references to the PD since the issue of the PaP 15 months ago.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • bergkamp
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Do check it out as I'm not 100% certain, but I've not seen references to the PD since the issue of the PaP 15 months ago.

    Well I'm confused now...

    As I see it, the PAP is part of the Practice Direction. The quotes I have used, from links in newbies thread, are about the POC . I should be adding another point about UKPCM/Gladdies not following the PAP which is obviously about their conduct pre issuing the claim?

    My defence is based on the same bargepole ' template' as this from a week ago;

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5923732furrydog1313#10
  • bergkamp
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    ________________________________________
    DEFENCE STATEMENT
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    1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.

    2. The Claimant, despite being a serial litigant, has not complied with the Pre-Action Protocols.

    3. The Particulars of Claim state that the driver of vehicle registration ( the ' Vehicle ' ) incurred the parking charge(s)... This makes no sense and makes it impossible for the defendant to know if it is their vehicle.

    4. Furthermore, the Particulars of Claim state that the Defendant was the registered keeper and/or the driver of the vehicle(s). These assertions indicate that the Claimant has failed to identify a Cause of Action, and is simply offering a menu of choices. As such, the Claim fails to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the particulars of the claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.

    5. If the Particulars of Claim do relate to a vehicle registered to the Defendant, then it is denied that they were the driver on the date of event.

    6. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ,Schedule 4 , is the only law that can transfer liability of a Parking Charge Notice to the keeper of a vehicle, if the drivers identity is unknown. UK Car Park Management Ltd have not followed the strict protocols of this Act to enable keeper liability.

    7. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, at Section 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be recovered from the keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper, in this case £100. The claim includes an additional £60, for which no calculation or explanation is given, and which appears to be an attempt at double recovery.

    8. Further and in the alternative, it is denied that the claimant's signage sets out the terms in a sufficiently clear manner. The terms on the Claimant's signage are displayed in a font which is too small to be read , and is in such a position that anyone attempting to read the tiny font would be unable to do so easily. It is, therefore, denied that the Claimant's signage is capable of creating a legally binding contract.

    9. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices, and to pursue payment by means of litigation.

    10. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success. Accordingly, the Court is invited to strike out the claim of its own initiative, using its case management powers pursuant to CPR 3.4.

    I believe the facts contained in this Defence are true.


    I have added a new point 2 for failure to adhere to the PAP.

    As Umkomaas has intimated in post #40, the legal issues and correct terminology to use are not easy to compehend for the ' person ' on the street who has received a private parking invoice.
  • bergkamp
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    The RK has received their DQ from the court, which will be filled in and sent to the CCBC and Gladdies.

    My question is ; Do I have to inform the Court that I am intending to be a Lay Rep for the RK?

    If so, how and when?

    Or do I just announce the fact on the day when we turn up to Court?
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    No
    Turn up on the day with teh lay rep act.
  • Coupon-mad
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    My question is ; Do I have to inform the Court that I am intending to be a Lay Rep for the RK?
    Nope, just announce it on the day and show the Usher/Judge the Lay Representatives Rights of Audience Order, that you take with you:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1225/made

    As long as the Defendant attends with you it's fine. You can't be a rep without them as you are not a solicitor/barrister with RoA.
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  • bergkamp
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    Witness statements due this week, which I obviously have worked on,but was hanging out for a look at Gladdies. It was worth waiting for....

    What they say is in the POC, is not.
    Didn't respond to my reply to the two LBAs they sent. Say they didn't have to basically.
    Relying on Elliott v Loake:shocked: ,
    In the alternative, Schedule 4 of the POFA 2012, which at no point have they addressed the fact that it has not been complied with...
    Total emission of the IAS appeal that they 'won'...
    And best of all I think.... ' It is evident from the site plan that there are sufficient signs. The signage at the site is clearly visible...' ' Signs are clear and unambiguous... '
    They have included one picture of a very close up sign that could be anywhere. One birds eye view of the site with no signage marked and a landscape view of the site with no signage visible!
    That's just after quick browse through...
  • beamerguy
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    edited 19 March 2019 at 11:57AM
    We now have to be very sad for Gladstones, their incompetence gets worse, they scratch at straws and clearly they are out of their depth.
    Might explain why they fail to turn up in court, they must get very embarrassed about their rubbish

    To even quote Elliott v Loake shows their ignorance
  • MothballsWallet
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    I'm not surprised Gladstones are this god-awfully incompetent - their address says they're on/near a Golf Club: is this where they spend most of their time?
  • bergkamp
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    I'm not surprised Gladstones are this god-awfully incompetent - their address says they're on/near a Golf Club: is this where they spend most of their time?

    They play a fourball with UNITED TRADE AND INDUSTRY LIMITED ,PATRON HALLOW LIMITED and the Independent Appeals Service..... Sometimes the IPC are allowed a shot.:)
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