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What recourse do I have against bad landlords
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I will not take abuse from someone who knows absolutely nothing about me.
You will get use to it on this board.:DRENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
I suspect that most tenancy agreements would have a provision preventing any modifications without the landlord's express consent.
Mine does.
So does mine.
Let me tell you from the outset, all my tenants are aware I hold a set of keys, but they also know I would never enter any property without negotiating with them a time to go in, unless it was a dire emergency. I make this quite clear right from the start so there is no mistake or misunderstandings in the future.
If my tenant(s) changed the locks without asking my permission first, AND without giving me a key, and all for no other reason but to prevent my access, I would take a very dim view and not renew the contract if after meeting with them they didn't come up with a very good reason why.
It sounds harsh, but as far as I am concerned, I will never give my tenants reason to do this, and any who did would immediately cause me to think they were up to something that may impact on me and my duties as a LL.
However, I can see why the OP is frustrated with the LL/LA as it seems clear that neither have even tried to negotiate a time convenient to all to take prospective buyers around the property.
At the same time, what the LL has done is not in my mind 'criminal' but at the worst, extremely naieve and thoughtless. The LL is probably totally unaware of the upset s/he has caused which proves s/he is totally out of touch with the tenant and the fact that the tenant is totally entitled to 'quiet enjoyment' of the property as it is after all their home.
This is a CLASSIC case of what happens when the tenant and LL don't talk to each other right from the start about how the tenancy is going to be conducted by all parties concerned. SO many of these problems would never arise if only there was more communication between the two.
Somehow, there must be a way to remove this 'them and us' syndrome.0 -
moneysavinmonkey wrote: »just to quote this bit again as what Tozer says is not correct:
Wrong. read the rest of the posts!
What I said was :
The only requirement in a tenancy agreement is for an address in England and Wales to be provided.
That is correct. If you want to request the address of the landlord that is a different matter. The agent must provide it within 21 days. But why would you do that when you are contractually bound to serve notices and proceedings on the agent????????0 -
Just looking at this and what I said IS right. The only requirement in a tenancy agreement is for an address in England and Wales to be provided.
You are right that there is a right to request the address of the landlord and this has to be provided within 21 days.
No, what you said was wrong and moneysavinmonkey was correct.
You then quoted all of the above quote in your reply and said.moneysavinmonkey wrote: »As I understand you should still be given your landlords address even if the property is managed by a letting agents. If it isn't in your paperwork already then you are within your rights to make a written request for it from the letting agents.Not correct. The only requirement is for the name of the landlord to be provided. Proceedings and notices can be served on the agent.
I corrected you withMissMoneypenny wrote: »I think you will find that the law has changed. The tenants can have the LLs address if they request it and it is a criminal offence to withhold it when asked. Shelter have a piece on this but their site is down at the moment so I can't get their quote and link yet.
As you have now found out, the tenant is within their rights to make a request for the LLs address from the letting agents. Which is what moneysavinmonkey said on the first place! PhewRENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
moneysavinmonkey wrote: »Where the rights of the tenant are protected by law, then it is covered by criminal law.
A visit from the police would be worth it if they convinced the landlord of the tenants rights.
Shelter website is playing silly beggars with me too but did manage to get to this page which covers harassment + changing locks + right to landlords address....even if they are using an agent.
link
If you can get the Police to interested in paying a visit to a landlord who has....crime of all crimes...visited unannounced without any threats or abuse, then you are living in an area with absolutely zero other crime.
They won't give a stuff. Try them.
Are you suggesting that because the harassment issues are based in criminal law then there are no civil rights which are privately enforceable?
Getting seriously bored of this thread - no offence to OP.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »No, what you said was wrong and moneysavinmonkey was correct.
You then quoted all of the above quote in your reply and said.
I corrected you with
As you have now found out, the tenant is within their rights to make a request for the LLs address from the letting agents. Which is what moneysavinmonkey said on the first place! Phew
MissMoneypenny, with the greatest of respect, you have far, far too much time on your hands... :rotfl:
[By the way, I think you will also find that I had the good grace to say that if I am wrong, I stand corrected...]0 -
Bungarm2001 wrote: »So does mine.
Let me tell you from the outset, all my tenants are aware I hold a set of keys, but they also know I would never enter any property without negotiating with them a time to go in, unless it was a dire emergency. I make this quite clear right from the start so there is no mistake or misunderstandings in the future.
If my tenant(s) changed the locks without asking my permission first, AND without giving me a key, and all for no other reason but to prevent my access, I would take a very dim view and not renew the contract if after meeting with them they didn't come up with a very good reason why.
It sounds harsh, but as far as I am concerned, I will never give my tenants reason to do this, and any who did would immediately cause me to think they were up to something that may impact on me and my duties as a LL.
However, I can see why the OP is frustrated with the LL/LA as it seems clear that neither have even tried to negotiate a time convenient to all to take prospective buyers around the property.
At the same time, what the LL has done is not in my mind 'criminal' but at the worst, extremely naieve and thoughtless. The LL is probably totally unaware of the upset s/he has caused which proves s/he is totally out of touch with the tenant and the fact that the tenant is totally entitled to 'quiet enjoyment' of the property as it is after all their home.
This is a CLASSIC case of what happens when the tenant and LL don't talk to each other right from the start about how the tenancy is going to be conducted by all parties concerned. SO many of these problems would never arise if only there was more communication between the two.
Somehow, there must be a way to remove this 'them and us' syndrome.
At last some common sense without the:
1. Call the Police
2. Change the locks
3. Oh, and tell the Inland Revenue!
Right, I'm done on this thread. The OP has all the advice she could possibly want, and a whole lot more and the tone is distinctly unpleasant.0 -
MissMoneypenny, with the greatest of respect, you have far, far too much time on your hands... :rotfl:
You and me both:D I'm off work today. What's your excuse?:DRENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »You and me both:D I'm off work today. What's your excuse?:D
Very slow day in the legal world!0 -
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