What if carers went on strike

marvin

HC wrote: »

Why do so many posters being with 'Errmm'? As if their brains are ticking over but not actually working?

well in my case its me trying not to be rude to someone who has clearly not understood the arguments and its just like you would in speech when somone hasn't quite got it. (or at least I do)

But then I am a polite person who does not like to hurt anyones feelings if I can help it.

Dill

Some really poignant postings on this thread. I can't really do much more than just echo the comments made already regarding the miserable allowance afforded to carers (those that can even get carers allowance that is!) and the fact that we're saving the government shed loads of money by doing what they do. It can leave you feeling exploited and invisible.

There also seems to be a postcode lottery as to what support and help carers get (if any)

As to going on strike, it would be an interesting experiment, but the powers that be know that carers are not going to just up sticks and leave the cared-for to simply get on with it..

HC_2

marvin wrote: »

well in my case its me trying not to be rude to someone who has clearly not understood the arguments and its just like you would in speech when somone hasn't quite got it. (or at least I do)

But then I am a polite person who does not like to hurt anyones feelings if I can help it.

Be my guest, be rude. It'll take quite a lot to offend me. I think I do understand the arguments, but if you wish to differ, please elucidate. I'm not one of these MSE-ers who are right at all costs. If you change my viewpoint, I will have learnt something.

But, please remember, this is not speech. You have to make your points in the written form.

The 'Errrm' thing is terribly patronising - just to let you know,

mrs_pepperpot_3

yes the goverment know we wont really stike. and you may not believe it but i am grateful to get any benifit, as i know other countries dont and we'd still do it even if we didnt get any money. but i think its about status
dignity
feeling that we are valued and as such ocasionally pampered by an adoniss.... no no sorry lost myself there
to be valued by society and appreciated and for our loved one to be valued so that they also get some dignified help and then we are all happy.

mrs_pepperpot_3

errm it doent worry me, but we are all different, i cant spell for onething.
foreonething

mrcow

mrs_pepperpot wrote: »

yup thats quite true, striking is the wrong term....... i want to demand respite,

Well that is completely different. As a full time carer, you should have respite, and it shouldn't be something that you have to demand, but something that should be offered to you if you don't have any other help. You are right in what you say about the carers in this country saving millions across the board and to see the endless amounts of our money that is simply wasted is a travesty (I'll start with the £9 billion on the useless choose and book NHS computer program!).

My initial objections were to you suggesting that an acceptable move would be strike onthose you care for to prove your point.

HC_2

I'm outa this thread.

If you people are all caring for family members, friends, acquaintances, then I bid you good night. My posts were about something else and they were inappropriate, for which I apologise.

You are selfless to the extent that I could never be. I have utmost respect for you, quite sincerely.

To care a majority of the time for someone close to you, while sacrificing parts of your own existence... I hope that I would be able to do the same, if warranted.

(My posts with regard to care workers in general remain the same.)

marvin

HC wrote: »

Be my guest, be rude. It'll take quite a lot to offend me. I think I do understand the arguments, but if you wish to differ, please elucidate. I'm not one of these MSE-ers who are right at all costs. If you change my viewpoint, I will have learnt something.

But, please remember, this is not speech. You have to make your points in the written form.

The 'Errrm' thing is terribly patronising - just to let you know,

OK here goes your post refers to care workers, not carers. Therefore you clearly have no understanding of what is being talked about here, nor, in my opinion, do you have much idea of how talk on message boards is done, it is very much like speech, it indeed is called chat!

Care Workers are employed people Carers are not.
Care Workers have a choice to do what they do many Carers do not (I did I cared for my stepson even after the marriage broke up and I did so for 20 years)
Care Workes have a minimum wage
Care Workers have a maximum working week
Care Workers have a minimum working age (there are many carers who are under 16 and a few under 7)
Care Workers have a maximum working age (the majority of carers are over 65)
Care Workers have an entitlementy to minimum holiday which cannot be intereupted. Carers often get no time off at all.
Care Workers have a right to sick leave
want me to go on?

To mix up Carers with Care Workers does neither any favours and you should go and educate yourself before commenting on a subject you are so clearly ignorant on if your post, to which I commented on is anything to go by.

HC_2

marvin wrote: »

OK here goes your post refers to care workers, not carers. Therefore you clearly have no understanding of what is being talked about here, nor, in my opinion, do you have much idea of how talk on message boards is done, it is very much like speech, it indeed is called chat!

Care Workers are employed people Carers are not.
Care Workers have a choice to do what they do many Carers do not (I did I cared for my stepson even after the marriage broke up and I did so for 20 years)
Care Workes have a minimum wage
Care Workers have a maximum working week
Care Workers have a minimum working age (there are many carers who are under 16 and a few under 7)
Care Workers have a maximum working age (the majority of carers are over 65)
Care Workers have an entitlementy to minimum holiday which cannot be intereupted. Carers often get no time off at all.
Care Workers have a right to sick leave
want me to go on?

To mix up Carers with Care Workers does neither any favours and you should go and educate yourself before commenting on a subject you are so clearly ignorant on if your post, to which I commented on is anything to go by.

I am educated, I assure you. Ignorant in some areas, I grant you.

My remark about chat vs. speech merely raised the comment that the way we speak should not reflect the way we communicate in the written word. Particularly in this kind of forum. The two are so different.

And the points you raise above apply to all employees, don't they?

Theogirl_2

Carers contribute a huge amount and their lives I think are often hard. My mum was a carer for 20 years, many will have been caring longer than that. I think it's the unending and the pain that your loved one is often suffering that is the worst thing. Back to the reason I was posting, if you do get respite it can often be awful. So you have nothing since putting a vulnerable person in the situation offered can be unthinkable.

Our families experience with SS may not be typical, but at best they couldn't care less and at worst they were patronising and couldn't care less. Apologies to those SWs who provide a great service I know there are some as I worked with them for a while but my family never had contact with them.