Whey Protein Isolate

blinko

agreed real food is impossible to supplement, and most protein powders are a waste, eg they cant make them too good otherwise no one will need to buy them.

if one feels protein powders are good then try not eating and real protein and just take them, you will notice a real difference in you gains or loss should i say.

FenRam

how did u get on mhuk

i still reckon avifrom is cheaper, i also find my protein ok, tmof cheap , whey constorium cheap to,
do u know of any other..

also u need protein every 2-4 hrs so protein shakes are a must unless u fancy eating chicken and tuna every few hrs.....( no thanks)

No offence but the needing protein every 2-4 hrs is nonsense put out by supplement companies to sell their products quicker.

db247_2

Don't get me started please. This is your personal opinion. Yes many companies are very lenient with their marketing but not all.

I have been training for 6 years and found supplements, over the years by EAS, Prolab and Reflex as well as Chemical Nutrition and others have been very important. BUT not as important as good, healthy, wholesome REAL food. Hence the word supplement. I eat every 2 to 3 hours and it makes so much more sense but i don't have time to continually sit down to eat that often so i have to balance my whole food with supplements.

I have used creatine for most of this time and i'm still alive and healthy at the time of posting this. (Ps if you are interested in Creatine make sure it's Creapure which many companies use now,)

Congrats on staying drug free, if you are lifetime drug free then congrats, i am too. Maybe you are blessed with better genetics but i need my nutrients on a regular basis and not all food contains the correct balance, even the 'right' foods.

FenRam

Yep lifetime drug free.
Well done yourself staying drug free, I know I was tempted especially when some bloated roid user started lifting similar weights in half the time.

My next question for supplement users is how do you know which one is helping you make gains - I know lifters on creatine/adriestione/amino's/whey and so on. When I ask which in their minds is helping the most they can't answer.

My genetics are average, OK for squatting and dead lift - poor on the bench (long arms)

Surely you cycle your creatine ? I assume you also drink extra to combat the side effects of creatine ? the creatine deaths related to 2 roman greco wrestlers in the US that 'sweatsuited down' nearly half a stone each and didn't have time to re-hydrate - obviously creatine was considered a factor because of the way it works within the system

The thing is all strength athletes / BB are always looking for an edge - the placebo effect comes into play especially if the athlete has a good peaking cycle while using a certain supplement.

kinster_2

It's easy... it's the protein that gives you the muscle gain!

Depends on genetics and who you are... you can't just say this is bullsh*t and untrue.

Different strokes for different folks.

db247_2

Yep lifetime drug free.
Well done yourself staying drug free, I know I was tempted especially when some bloated roid user started lifting similar weights in half the time.

My next question for supplement users is how do you know which one is helping you make gains - I know lifters on creatine/adriestione/amino's/whey and so on. When I ask which in their minds is helping the most they can't answer.

My genetics are average, OK for squatting and dead lift - poor on the bench (long arms)

Surely you cycle your creatine ? I assume you also drink extra to combat the side effects of creatine ? the creatine deaths related to 2 roman greco wrestlers in the US that 'sweatsuited down' nearly half a stone each and didn't have time to re-hydrate - obviously creatine was considered a factor because of the way it works within the system

The thing is all strength athletes / BB are always looking for an edge - the placebo effect comes into play especially if the athlete has a good peaking cycle while using a certain supplement.

I believe water is the single most important substance to the human body, without going into the stats why. Therefore I try to drink as much as I can. Yes I cycle my creatine as I have hmb the few times i tried it. Water is the key though; i have never really noticed any negative side effects, personally.

That example was no doubt caused by rehydrating and under the extreme conditions they forced their bodies under, the creatine is going to have such effect, but to what degree? and to what degree did someone use this instance as a negative mark on creatine?

I agree about the sponsorship in BB, the crappy mags etc That's why i researched and studied before making any changes. People should carefully plan a route before they take any steps, especially when the body is concerned.

I agree about the placebo effect and also genetics etc, as well as the old 'each to their own' but some things are common sense and work for me. I too was 'encouraged' to go 'all the way' but still with good advice regarding when to start, what, how, doctors guidance and all that.

I have no doubt in my mind that you are one of the knowledgeable ones, the sort of person who studies what he/she is about to do to make the best from it. I guess the differing conclusions are all part of the fun of life, variety is the spice of life... that, and water.

FenRam

It's easy... it's the protein that gives you the muscle gain!

Depends on genetics and who you are... you can't just say this is bullsh*t and untrue.

Different strokes for different folks.

Sorry mate - you obviously haven't read the whole thread - no one doubts that you need protein - my argument is that you don't need to add extra protein via supplements to your diet assuming your eating well.

FenRam

I believe water is the single most important substance to the human body, without going into the stats why. Therefore I try to drink as much as I can. Yes I cycle my creatine as I have hmb the few times i tried it. Water is the key though; i have never really noticed any negative side effects, personally.

That example was no doubt caused by rehydrating and under the extreme conditions they forced their bodies under, the creatine is going to have such effect, but to what degree? and to what degree did someone use this instance as a negative mark on creatine?

I agree about the sponsorship in BB, the crappy mags etc That's why i researched and studied before making any changes. People should carefully plan a route before they take any steps, especially when the body is concerned.

I agree about the placebo effect and also genetics etc, as well as the old 'each to their own' but some things are common sense and work for me. I too was 'encouraged' to go 'all the way' but still with good advice regarding when to start, what, how, doctors guidance and all that.

I have no doubt in my mind that you are one of the knowledgeable ones, the sort of person who studies what he/she is about to do to make the best from it. I guess the differing conclusions are all part of the fun of life, variety is the spice of life... that, and water.

Fair dues - to balance things up there are quite a few top class lifters out there using creatine and getting something from it - If you took a poll of experienced lifters and by that I mean a minimum 7 years successful training I would say the most used supplement is creatine followed by protein.

If you ever need any details on drug free powerlifting PM me.

Thanks

mhuk

Amazing that this small post has run for so long!

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I'm neither a power lifter or a body builder, I just look to maximise my efforts in the gym with suitable supplements (not steroids or hormones), in moderation within the framework of a good diet.

Happy working out!

kinster_2

Sorry mate - you obviously haven't read the whole thread - no one doubts that you need protein - my argument is that you don't need to add extra protein via supplements to your diet assuming your eating well.

Sorry mate, but you didn't read my post. It depends on your genetics. Some may require more muscle, so need to eat more, and some may need less, if you're lucky you can find it with a normal diet, but others are not that lucky. Also depends on different ratios you require.