Yellow line puzzle

faddy

During the afternoon of Bank Holiday Monday I parked for less than two hours on double yellow lines. On the adjacent pavement was a sign with a blue background reading: "Mon-Sat 7am-7pm Waiting limited to 2 hours Return prohibited within 2 hours". (The wall in the background is part of Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral)

I duly received a parking ticket with PCN code 01 ("parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours").

On returning to the scene of the crime with my camera, I noticed that other stretches of the same road have signs with white backgrounds, with the same wording, and no yellow lines.

Discuss

Keith

A double yellow line means no waiting at any time, a single yellow would have prescibed times

faddy

Keith wrote: »

A double yellow line means no waiting at any time, a single yellow would have prescibed times

So what does this combination of sign and double lines indicate? :huh:

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

The lines in the image above don't look legal to me.

faddy

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

The lines in the image above don't look legal to me.

They do look a bit narrow in the photo, but they look normal close up.

Keith

The lines should be 50, 75 or 100mm wide. In a normal residential area they should be 100mm wide, or 50mm if it's a enviromental sensitive area (beauty spot).

The gap between them should be the same width, they should be 150mm from the kerb and end with a line at both ends which runs to the kerb.

The lines above look as if they have been painted on a private road/parking area? Not the public highway?

faddy

Keith wrote: »

The lines should be 50, 75 or 100mm wide. In a normal residential area they should be 100mm wide, or 50mm if it's a enviromental sensitive area (beauty spot).

The gap between them should be the same width, they should be 150mm from the kerb and end with a line at both ends which runs to the kerb.

The lines above look as if they have been painted on a private road/parking area? Not the public highway?

No, it's a trick of the angle the photo's taken at. They look quite normal close up. It is a public highway, Mount Pleasant in central Liverpool.

derrick

faddy wrote: »

During the afternoon of Bank Holiday Monday I parked for less than two hours on double yellow lines. On the adjacent pavement was a sign with a blue background reading: "Mon-Sat 7am-7pm Waiting limited to 2 hours Return prohibited within 2 hours". (The wall in the background is part of Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral)

I duly received a parking ticket with PCN code 01 ("parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours").

On returning to the scene of the crime with my camera, I noticed that other stretches of the same road have signs with white backgrounds, with the same wording, and no yellow lines.

Discuss

You parked during the hours of 7 am-7 pm, you contravened the regulations, i.e you parked on a MONDAY, it makes no difference that it was a Bank Holiday.

faddy

derrick wrote: »

You parked during the hours of 7 am-7 pm, you contravened the regulations, i.e you parked on a MONDAY, it makes no difference that it was a Bank Holiday.

But the sign says waiting limited to 2 hours. I parked for less than 2 hours, and even if I had parked for more than 2 hours shouldn't the PCN code have been 30 ( Parked for longer than permitted) rather than 01? (Though agreed that Bank Holiday should make no difference.)

Assuming that the sign does apply, I'm not clear whether outside the times/days listed there is no restriction or no parking.

derrick

faddy wrote: »

But the sign says waiting limited to 2 hours. I parked for less than 2 hours, and even if I had parked for more than 2 hours shouldn't the PCN code have been 30 ( Parked for longer than permitted) rather than 01? (Though agreed that Bank Holiday should make no difference.)

Assuming that the sign does apply, I'm not clear whether outside the times/days listed there is no restriction or no parking.

Sorry misread the OP, if you were there for less than 2 hours I cannot see how they can book you? Can you prove you were there for less than 2 hours as you will obviously have no ticket with a time on it?

Outside those times there will be no restrictions.

Unusual to have parking allowed on double yellows!

faddy

derrick wrote: »

Sorry misread the OP, if you were there for less than 2 hours I cannot see how they can book you? Can you prove you were there for less than 2 hours as you will obviously have no ticket with a time on it?

Outside those times there will be no restrictions.

Unusual to have parking allowed on double yellows!

The penalty notice says the car was observed for about 5 minutes.

Some doubt is now creeping into my mind as to what the sign means. Could it be the Mon-Sat 7am-7pm is the "no waiting" times, and the 2 hour restriction applies at other times?