Yellow line puzzle

frugallass

It's not a very clear sign - how do you 'wait' ? do you have to be in the car to be 'waiting' for two hours?

Whatever the proper interpretation I would say you've got a good case to fight it - surely double yellow lines mean 'no parking/waiting' and the sign should state the same?

derrick

faddy wrote: »

The penalty notice says the car was observed for about 5 minutes.

Some doubt is now creeping into my mind as to what the sign means. Could it be the Mon-Sat 7am-7pm is the "no waiting" times, and the 2 hour restriction applies at other times?

Well someone is telling porkies

I read it the way you have been reading it, the restrictions are during the day, it is unusual for that type of restriction to apply overnight.

derrick

frugallass wrote: »

Whatever the proper interpretation I would say you've got a good case to fight it - surely double yellow lines mean 'no parking/waiting' and the sign should state the same?

Signage can qualify the restrictions,there is no requirement for double yellow lines to have the addition of a sign stating "no waiting at any time", they are just that unless a sign says different. Yellow lines

Blackpool have double yellow lines down the prom, but they have restriction plates for "no waiting" during the Summer season,(or they used to), can't remember the dates but something like "no waiting April-September" outside of those dates there is/was no restriction.

JimmyTheWig

Double yellow lines means no parking. At any time.
You are, generally, allowed to "wait" on double yellow lines (that's the difference between that and a red route [double red lines] where you cannot ever wait).
So on double yellow lines you are allowed to stop, drop someone off, etc.
On this particular road you may still do that, but only for a maximum of 2 hours.

You parked. They observed your car for 5 minutes to confirm that you were parked and not waiting. You weren't there during that 5 minutes and so were (correctly) deemed to be parked.


That said, I know how annoying it is when signs and markings aren't clear.
I've only been to Liverpool once (May Day bank holiday weekend, as it happens, three years ago en route to honeymoon) and got a parking ticket. Was parked on a single yellow line on a Sunday. Other cars were parked there, too. Couldn't see a sign so assumed a Sunday was ok. Apparently it wasn't! I was wrong to assume.

derrick

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Double yellow lines means no parking. At any time.

Wrong, as I have mentioned above #14; - Yellow lines

What’s the difference between single and double yellow lines?

• A double yellow line means no waiting at any time. It might only apply for certain months
• A single yellow line means that there is no waiting at certain times shown on the nearby sign

Do yellow lines always need a sign?

Not any more. Since January 2003 signs aren’t needed for double yellow lines unless it is a seasonal restriction.

LandyAndy

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Double yellow lines means no parking. At any time.
You are, generally, allowed to "wait" on double yellow lines (that's the difference between that and a red route [double red lines] where you cannot ever wait).
So on double yellow lines you are allowed to stop, drop someone off, etc.
On this particular road you may still do that, but only for a maximum of 2 hours.

You parked. They observed your car for 5 minutes to confirm that you were parked and not waiting. You weren't there during that 5 minutes and so were (correctly) deemed to be parked.


That said, I know how annoying it is when signs and markings aren't clear.
I've only been to Liverpool once (May Day bank holiday weekend, as it happens, three years ago en route to honeymoon) and got a parking ticket. Was parked on a single yellow line on a Sunday. Other cars were parked there, too. Couldn't see a sign so assumed a Sunday was ok. Apparently it wasn't! I was wrong to assume.

I see the logic of this but why would anyone want to 'wait' for up to two hours?

JimmyTheWig

derrick wrote: »

Wrong, as I have mentioned above #14; - Yellow lines

Yes, I've just read your link and was coming back to say the same thing.

From your link it looks like "waiting" and "parking" are the same.


I'd query what the sign means with the council, or whoever it was gave you the ticket.

JimmyTheWig

LandyAndy wrote: »

I see the logic of this

So did I, but as has been pointed out the logic is wrong. Sorry.

but why would anyone want to 'wait' for up to two hours?

My thinking was because it was outside "Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral" and if parking in the area was a nightmare you might want to wait while your friend went and looked around the cathedral.
But as I say this isn't what it meant, so no explanation is needed.

Vampgirl

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faddy

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Yes, I've just read your link and was coming back to say the same thing.

From your link it looks like "waiting" and "parking" are the same.


I'd query what the sign means with the council, or whoever it was gave you the ticket.

Just spoken to Liverpool City Council. Parking Enforcement said "waiting" means "loading". Highways (who erect the signs) said "waiting" means "parking" and my interpretation of the sign is correct and I should appeal (which I already have). They also said it sounds as though it shouldn't have a double yellow line and they'll take a look!